First Comic I Might Return from Ebay :(3906
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I have had terrible mailman luck and awful packaging from ebay sellers but I've never had to return a comic before. My streak of buying raw books for cheaper prices and not having any issues has come to an end. You all know my "Comics Im currently Chasing" thread that Hawkman #4 was #2 on my list. Seller advertised this copy as VG and complete with no pages missing or ads cut out. Unfortunately the seller didn't mention that the centerfold and page after are both detached from the bottom staple. That's a dealbreaker for me  Hopefully I'll have better luck finding another copy! Figured I'd share some pics of this bittersweet moment lol          I |
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
Nah send that back. No way |
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| This might be blasphemy but couldn't you use a couple of small needle nose pliers, straighten up the staple, push pages down lined up with staple holes. Reset the staples downward .The comic looks great condition to me! | ||
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| Mmm should have looked closer. Nevermind I see a problem with my suggestion | ||
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@Thanatos I know your pain! I had bought these about a year ago, a first print set of Dark Knight Returns The box looks like it was curb stomped but would've been okay had the seller packaged it well. He used too large a box so the center would sag and instead protecting the comics with stiff cardboard, he just ised the backing boards. On top of that, the guy plead innocent and ignorant saying he hadn't seen any pictures of the damaged books ( they were included in the ebay case) and saying that because he used a big box so they were packaged well. Ended up having to go to ebay to make a decision about the refund. Took them like 5 minutes to rule in my favor |
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| @dielinfinite lol to clarify, that's how the books looked when I got them, you can see where they took the boot. They looked pretty nice when I bought them |
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| @dielinfinite damn,that is a shame about that Dark Knight Returns set Seller's know better and should own up to it when they are in the wrong. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Watching @dielinfinite talk to himself...priceless. |
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| Sorry to hear that Thanatos. But you definitely have to return that one. I have no doubt you will find another copy for yourself in the future. | ||
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 I’m not sure they know they’re taking one for the team.
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| I've sent back probably half a dozen books in the last year, or accepted partial refunds. The latest was a green lantern 76 reprint advertised as 9.8 mint no flaws...thing had all four corners blunted and about 20 spine ticks...and none of these defects were in the photos provided. I played dumb and gave the seller an opportunity to do the right thing, letting him know he had probably just sent me the wrong comic...no, Guy berated me, blamed shipping (was well packaged with no visible damage,btw) and refused to work with me. Was very nasty. I was very honest, and provided only facts and kept the emotion out of it. Btw, the comic cost $10 with shipping...he would only offer me $1.50 refund. As much as I wanted to just let it go, it was more the principle to let him know he was caught red handed, was not being reasonable and most importantly he can't pull this crap on me. I eventually just submitted a claim to eBay...told him we could have worked out a deal, but now I'll just take 100% of my money back. Btw, I don't send items back unless they clearly are not as advertised. I except the risk a 9.0 might be a 8.5 or 8.0 raw...but will not accept someone claiming no flaws and send me an item with 20+ flaws... |
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| According to Overstreet grading standards a "VG" copy can have a centerfold loose or detached at one staple. Now I do agree with you that's a pretty obvious defect that the seller should have disclosed and if it's a dealbreaker for you and if you'd known it beforehand, you would not have bought it, then you should be able to send if back for a refund. As a sometimes seller on ebay myself, I never consider a purchase completed until the buyer has had a chance to see and inspect the book for themselves and decide to keep it or not. |
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| The book is accurately graded, even if the seller didn't mention the centerfold/next wrap detachment. I wouldn't send it back. If I did, I'd offer to pay shipping both ways, since the book wasn't misrepresented in any way. The seller shouldn't be out anything (although the Paypal 30 cent fee is non-refundable) because of your particular deal-breaker, right? Or, just keep it and sell it to someone who doesn't mind. |
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| VG, all things considered, is low grade, or, at the least, the bottom of mid-grade. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite These kinds of things make me chuckle. I've bought perhaps 50,000 (yes, that's not an exaggeration) comics from eBay since 1998. Fully half of them...25,000 or so...were either overgraded, or damaged because of crap packaging. And not just "you're too picky!"...no, cases where books that were described as "VG+" showing up having been in a fire...with burnt edges...books (ASM #121, 122, and other like ASM) soaked in cat urine to such an extent that urine CRYSTALS had formed on the books...books sent in well worn long boxes that burst open in transit, smashing several hundred comics in the process...books like Batman #11 (yes, THAT Batman #11), described as "VG/F", with pages so brittle that every single page had broken...yes, BROKEN...at the spine, so that you had a collection of loose leaf pages with a cover acting like a folder...slabs sent with a single piece of cardboard taped to each side, arriving smashed...slabs sent in 1095 boxes with no other protection, so they played bouncy house the whole trip...on and on and on and on....books like an FF #21 that was likely a 7.0, FOLDED IN HALF against the spine, because the seller mailed it in a manila envelope, with just the bag and board...same thing with a TMNT #3 variant, described as "NM"...and thousands upon thousands upon thousands of otherwise high grade books that had endless corners smashed and smashed and smashed and smashed again... And, of course, the endless "no one's ever complained before" and "I have perfect feedback!" and "you'll have to take it up with the Post Office"...none of which, after over a decade of fighting, are excuses that will fly anymore. On the eBay board, and then at the CGC board, I was endlessly denounced, accused of being a thief, of defrauding sellers, because I wouldn't let sellers get away with this, and I was, then as now, vocal about it. Think about that: on the board of the very company that was started BECAUSE of overgrading...people were being pilloried for making an issue about...rampant overgrading. That was one of the most stark and jaw-dropping examples of the corruption of humanity I've ever encountered, made more stark because the people making those charges were "respected" members of those communities (mainly because they told everyone what they wanted to hear.) You would think...on the message board of a GRADING company whose very existence was BECAUSE of rampant overgrading in the hobby...that members would at minimum be understanding of these things. You'd think. But nope. |
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Suffice it to say, if I got books advertised as VG that had a centerfold/next wrap detached at the bottom staple as the most significant flaw, I'd be well pleased.  Your mileage, of course, may vary. |
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| I've bought several copies of books from ebay sellers with non-disclosed defects. The latest being what looked like a super nice ASM #72. The seller was proudly advertising "No Restoration of Any Kind". Now, I'm usually pretty leery of black cover books like this, as I've run across many with obvious bleed through color touch, but I thought with a claim like that, this seller sounds legit. Well, guess what, when I get the book and open it up, blatantly obvious black bleed through touch up in about 3 places along the inside of the front cover and splash page near the spine. I immediately contact the seller and send them some pictures confirming its the book in the listing they sold me. They apologized and we reached an agreement about the transaction. Stuff like this just makes me mad, that not only did the seller miss it, but the book was so damn nice and didn't need to be touched up. Who knows when and where that may have happened or how many hands that book has passed through over the years, but somebody at sometime decided "Hey, let's fill in these 3 miniscule spine ticks so we can make an extra buck on it." Just makes me sick. |
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| Other than the seller not itemizing defects, the Hawkman 4 is accurately graded. | ||
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| I have received books in horrid shape but I always just keep them. I also sell a lot of books and do not offer returns. Such is the game of buying comics through UPS, USPS etc But, to each their own.... |
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| I just want to throw out there that many sellers on eBay do not pack well, but unfortunately sometimes USPS does not transport well. I've had several packages get flattened while in transit. Sufficient insurance is a must but is often overlooked. | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Interesting turn of events - a lot of people are saying your book is accurately graded. Plot twist! | ||
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| It's a very common flaw on Hawkman 4 to see the lower staple detached from the cover, or the centerfold detached like the example copy. If the centerfold being firm is a deal breaker, it's acceptable to email the seller before bidding on the condition of the centerfold staples. | ||
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Here's an example of the tell-tale signs of color touch that has bled through the front cover, probably done with a Flair or Sharpie. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Already shipped back. While I agree that the comic was accurately graded, I'm returning simply because the IMHO shady practice of not disclosing a defect like this to the buyer. If you were selling this comic, would you make sure the buyer knew about a detached centerfold? I expect a comic book seller to be more transparent especially with a silver age key book. I did email the seller about the condition and additional pictures because the listing only had a FC picture so they had the opportunity to tell me about this before I submitted my offer. |
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| hawkman 4 is a vg - a 3.5 centerfold detached at bottom spine is ok in a 4.0 grade. the spine split at the bottom knocks off .5 so 3.5 |
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| Hidden defects such as detached centerfold should have been in the items description. and why do e bay seller's not know how to package books.If any of them have ever bought off say metro. They should know put the books in Mylar with a backing board. then sandwich the books between cardboard not thin comic backing boards. tape the cardboard together. and place in box wrapped in bubble wrap and have no movement. I package up seafood better then these e bay sellers for shipping. and I ship live seafood and it gets to the destination live. be easy peasy sending comic books safely. just lazy e bay sellers |
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| I look at selling/ buying raw books like this; if you are at a shop or con, you get to handle and inspect the book prior to purchase and if you detect something that's a deal breaker for you, you can try to negotiate a new price or say "no thank you" and hand the book back and move on. When selling raw books online I should give the customer that same courtesy and benefit of the doubt. (I'm not even going to go into what happens when scammer seller meets scammer buyer, that's a whole new can of worms to open up.) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos The point of grading is to alleviate the necessity to enumerate every flaw a book has. Therefore, so long as the book is within the range of the grade given, there's nothing shady about not disclosing a common, typical defect, which this certainly is. And...if the listing only had one picture, and that was a sticking point with you, what were you doing making offers on the book at all? That should have been a red flag that this seller wasn't the most detail oriented. If I were selling this comic, I may mention it, I may not. I probably would, but that doesn't mean this seller was "shady" for not doing so. Again, the whole reason why the grading scale was developed in the first place was so that sellers wouldn't have to exhaustively detail all the flaws a specific book might have. In the VG grade, it's to be expected that the centerfold might be entirely detached. I've seen books graded as high as 8.5 have the bottom staple of the centerfold detached. If the book was graded "VF" or "NM", you'd have a case. At "VG", however, and we're in the realm of "typical for the grade." And...were you buying a "4.0" slab, the centerfold could be detached, and you wouldn't know, unless it was mentioned in the notes (which isn't always the case), or you opened the slab. This seller didn't do anything wrong. Your expectations were a little higher than reasonable, in this case. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Homer Yes, if there's something that's a deal breaker for you, you ought to be very clear about that to any prospective seller. I've said "hi...is this book brittle at all?" because that's a deal breaker for me. And, on the occasion that some have said yes, I've said "thanks!" and kept on going. No seller can possibly know the "deal breakers" for every potential buyer. If it matters to you, be proactive and ask. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bontchimuz Do you sell books on eBay? If so, how do you get around the fact that eBay forces all sellers to accept returns in virtually every case? |
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| There's a no returns option in the settings when you list something. What does eBay do if a seller clearly selected no returns? If they force the return, then why does the option exist? | ||
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