Shouldn't this be a green label??? | CBCS Comics

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Originally Posted by DocBrown

What is the "deception"? That you don't know the "real" grade...? Can't someone come to their own conclusion about what a grade is, if they have all the information?

Correct, that a "graded" book does not have printed on it the correct grade. Some people may not know that. Yes, people can come to their own conclusion, but the purpose of a grading company is to give a book a grade to be trusted, no? Yes they all make mistakes, it happens. But 9.4 vs a correctly graded .5 is not that.

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Originally Posted by DocBrown

Consider: 99% of the time, a book with something missing is a default Poor, right...? .5? So, if the book is an apparent 8.0, but has a pinup missing, can't one figure out that it's a .5, without it needing to be said on the label?

Of course, but some may take the grade as real. Not giving both grades is deceptive. Hell, even if its in tiny print I'd be ok with it. Just put the damn thing on there. Why not, other than to be deceptive and attract more business from sellers? I've yet to hear anyone give a decent reason why they shouldn't add the real grade on the label.

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Originally Posted by DocBrown

Everyone who spends any amount of money on slabs should know how to grade. Seems counterintuitive, but it's how the system is supposed to work. The "this is a 9.6. How do I know? It says so right on the label!" is a crutch, allowing too many people to take part who don't really know what they're doing.

What's wrong with people who don't know what they're doing taking part in the hobby? Everyone was green at some point.

*To be clear on my opinion, I would APPLAUD them for the green label program if it had both grades. Tiny print even.

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Originally Posted by OGJackster
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Green labels usually contain books that are missing something. While I've come to appreciate the "what if" grade, they are also missing the real grade.

Green Label of Deception.

I don't know if they are missing the real grade. Like @DarthLego, I look for the Green labels that are signed to later flip. Are you saying that this example of Cheyenne would not be an 8.5 if it wasn't signed?

Think of it this way. What if instead of a signature, some random person had just written something random on the book instead. That would cause the grade to drop, no? But since it is a signature, it's been tacitly agreed upon by most in comics community that it shouldn't be counted as a flaw against the book's condition. which is why yellow labels get the grade they do, because the writing or art put on them is not counted as a flaw.

Now green label books have signatures that were not witnessed. They can't guarantee that it is a legitimate signature and not some random person writing on the front of the book. The green label grades the book, without counting the writing/signature as a flaw, so it'd get the same grade as it would had it been a yellow label without making any claims as to who wrote/signed the book.

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	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @DocBrown - Honestly, Doc. Who wants* a green label?* I want a Hulk 181 green label (for missing MVS) just so that I can have a Hulk 181 in my collection again without spending a fortune.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @DocBrown - Honestly, Doc. Who wants* a green label?* I look for signed green labels to flip into CBCS VSP.
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	Green labels usually contain books that are missing something. While I've come to appreciate the "what if" grade, they are also missing the real grade. Green Label of Deception.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @DocBrown - Honestly, Doc. Who wants* a green label?* Lots of people. I have them myself. My interest in them is usually for signatures, for books that were part of a pre-slabbing, well known signing, like the Maxx ashcans, or Wildcats #1 Gold, or the Gen 13 #1 chromiums. But I'll happily take a book like, say, Detective Comics #40 that is missing a centerfold or somesuch, but otherwise looks quite nice. I'll probably have paid much less for it than a blue, and here's the kicker: I know there's a problem. In the bad old days, sellers sold books with missing things as "complete" all the time. And, if one doesn't like the green label, but prefers the MUCH lower price that it brings, the answer is simple: open the case and take the book out. It's ok to open slabs.
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	There are many legit reasons to want a Qualified label. Example 1: I have a book missing one wrap that I'm looking for a cheap donor book to marry. Looking for a 0.5 tells me jackwagon about the actual condition of the donor pages, but a green label will tell the exact condition of the book. Example 2: I am looking for a cheap key missing the MVS, but I want the rest of the book in the best condition possible. A blue label won't tell me jack about the book condition.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Green labels usually contain books that are missing something. While I've come to appreciate the "what if" grade, they are also missing the real grade. Green Label of Deception. What is the "deception"? That you don't know the "real" grade...? Can't someone come to their own conclusion about what a grade is, if they have all the information? Consider: 99% of the time, a book with something missing is a default Poor, right...? .5? So, if the book is an apparent 8.0, but has a pinup missing, can't one figure out that it's a .5, without it needing to be said on the label? Everyone who spends any amount of money on slabs should know how to grade. Seems counterintuitive, but it's how the system is supposed to work. The "this is a 9.6. How do I know? It says so right on the label!" is a crutch, allowing too many people to take part who don't really know what they're doing. CGC/CBCS grades are just opinions, too, made by people who make mistakes, too. And they'll be the first ones to tell you that. A grade should be an agreement between educated people, not a declaration by an authority.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos Quote: Originally Posted by Jakernaught "The green label of death" Purple label of death, green label of maiming. GLOD: Green Label of Death. However, it's not quite as serious now that CBCS has VSP. Comic dealers that prey upon those new to the comic world take them out of their slabs and sell them raw.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Green labels usually contain books that are missing something. While I've come to appreciate the "what if" grade, they are also missing the real grade. Green Label of Deception. I don't know if they are missing the real grade. Like @DarthLego, I look for the Green labels that are signed to later flip. Are you saying that this example of Cheyenne would not be an 8.5 if it wasn't signed?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by OGJackster Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Green labels usually contain books that are missing something. While I've come to appreciate the "what if" grade, they are also missing the real grade. Green Label of Deception. I don't know if they are missing the real grade. Like @DarthLego, I look for the Green labels that are signed to later flip. Are you saying that this example of Cheyenne would not be an 8.5 if it wasn't signed? Think of it this way. What if instead of a signature, some random person had just written something random on the book instead. That would cause the grade to drop, no? But since it is a signature, it's been tacitly agreed upon by most in comics community that it shouldn't be counted as a flaw against the book's condition. which is why yellow labels get the grade they do, because the writing or art put on them is not counted as a flaw. Now green label books have signatures that were not witnessed. They can't guarantee that it is a legitimate signature and not some random person writing on the front of the book. The green label grades the book, without counting the writing/signature as a flaw, so it'd get the same grade as it would had it been a yellow label without making any claims as to who wrote/signed the book.
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Shouldn't this be a green label???3788