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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Of course! - Honestly I prefer to buy/sell comics at Comic Cons or Thrift Stores, and then probably on a respectable Forum(via PayPal), and my last choice would be eBay...just because as a genuine collector you get thrown in with these sort of like craigslisty type scammer people, and it doesn't help that my first comic listed in 2 years is a PGX who has their own reputation problems. Is there a section to sell comics on this forum? I haven't even looked yet. I am grateful to the community here so far, they are blunt but honest, which is all you can ever hope for. If it wasn't for me seeing this forum post I would of never thought to update my photos...I just now showed my wife the before and after photos and she said the before "looks like absolute garbage". Lesson learned in 2017, ask the wife and ask the CBCS forum before you list a comic for sale...especially when you are a terrible photographer.  Thanks again all for the warm welcome, I am going to head to bed for the night.  |
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| @comic_book_man there is no dedicated section for sales, we just make a new thread for whatever is being sold. If it's not cost prohibitive for you, I would think heavily about having your book regraded by CBCS with signature verification. You may have better luck getting buyers for a VSP CBCS 9.8. The caveat of course, you risk getting a 9.6. |
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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| IMO this book is 9.6 Max!... Maybe screaming to be a 9.8, but it's not. | ||
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| Must have been quite an experience to sell an AF 15 9.4 | ||
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| @comic_book_man Welcome aboard. I appreciate the response to all our different thoughts. Oh, and your right. Always get the wifes opinion on important things. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka @comic_book_man Looks like a restored AF 15 CBCS 9.4 sold for $20,750 in 2015. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck That's the one! (maybe one day I'll get an unrestored 9.4, you never know) I didn't have very much into the book, so it ended up being a great success. It was one of those comics that was already restored but I had it restored a bit more from a restoration group. They did a fine job. Even though CBCS has new labels now, I still liked their old ones too.  I had my own page inside this cool catalog they sent, which was fun and something I keep around to look back at.  |
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| Of the old CBCS labels, I only like the blue, the red and yellow look weird with the white stripe. The new labels are 166% better. | ||
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@comic_book_man Kudos to you for coming here with a clear level-headed response. Welcome to the forum  |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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| @comic_book_man Welcome to the boards  The CBCS forum allows for sales threads of CBCS, CGC graded and raw books, but no PGX. The forum across the street (CGC's) only allows for the sales of CGC graded and raw books. The new pictures do show the book in a better light. You can't grade books from pictures - especially pictures of a book taken through two layers of plastic - one quite thick. But it previously being a CGC 9.8 doesn't seem out of the question. We don't know that to be a fact. But I would not totally rule it out. There is of course a lot to consider on a 9.9. Before Matt Nelson's business - Classic's Incorporated - was purchased by CGG, brought in house with CGC and renamed CCS, Matt had a long article on the website demonstrating there ought to be more 9.9's in the census. Charts, math, analysis. Most of the Classics Inc website carried over to CCS - but not that article. If you think about it, virtually all of the 9.9's of the SA/early BA books showed up in the first couple of years CGC was open. The IM 1's, the Cap 100, Nick Fury 1, the Incredible Hulk 181 - all graded early on. What are the odds? Open 17 years and the very, very best come in the first two years. We all know the deal - but few want to say. 9.9's were publicity. Now they only get handed out - rarely - on newer books. So the chances of this book being sent to another grading company - preferably CBCS for the verified signature service - and getting a 9.9 are virtually non-existent. One could argue that $25K is a fair price on the books - a CGC 9.8 signed by Stan sold for $25K in 2016.... As an aside - I think this example blows out of the water the "Stan signs to much stuff and high grade keys shouldn't be signed - it ruins the value" debate some collectors love. CGC has graded 107 9.8's of Hulk 181. Eight are signed. Regular blue label 9.8's sell for an average of $15K. Yeah... Stan's signature is ruining the value of high grade books.... But anyway, if the book was sent to CBCS for the verified signature and received a unrestored, verified signature 9.8, one could argue it's FMV was $25K. But with almost 30 people watching - the PGX 9.9 may well fetch the $25K as well. They get a 9.9 for the 9.8 price. If PGX had a better reputation - it'd be worth a lot more. But then there are a million "only ifs" in the world.. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Yeah I agree, blue was the best of the 3. Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Thank you! Quote: Originally Posted by IronMan Yeah that makes sense, and I hear what your saying. Pretty much unless every single person can look at it and say "thats a 9.9" without hesitation it's a 9.8 by modern grading standards. I also agree that a regrade would probably be a 9.8 tops, could it go a 9.6? Possibly, but it's right in that 9.6-9.8 range. lol and yes on the Stan Lee signature debate, I mean personally I think it's preference but there is always room for signatures on comics. I feel like they don't hurt the value, they just switch gears to a different market and the book is still the book, a signature can only add to it's beauty(well, sometimes not lol). I have met Stan at a few different cons and shook his hand, what an amazing dude...and I am very sorry to hear about his wife's recent passing. That just totally sucks, I've been with my wife for 10 years, and I can't even begin to imagine what he's feeling. Knowing him, he's probably taking it one day at a time and still meeting fans every day like a true Super Hero.  Also Trimpe, can't believe he's gone. I went to a panel of his in Albuquerque a few years back with Wein, it was amazing to listen to them talk about working on Hulk #190 which I guess they said was a real hoot...rainbows and toad men...lol Thank you for the welcome, and the feedback earlier in the thread. I enjoy discussing grading as well, it's just so subjective and open to interpretation on an ever evolving overstreet scale that when you see those like YouTube videos were people send a comic to PGX, CGC, & CBCS and all 3 give it different grades...it's like what the heck. lol...but also a part of the fun, and why we all collect! Opening up the 3rd party grading box is like mini-Christmas(insert holiday beliefs here).  |
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| @comic_book_man have you considered that you would probably get more for your book if you had it re-graded? I'm a bit skeptical that anyone would consider paying this kind of loot for a PGX grade, no matter how high or in-demand the book is. Look at the SC #4 in 9.8 restored on ebay. That book has been sitting there a year, at a fair price. CGC publicly called out the restoration company as shit, even though CBCS has no problem with them. I would bet that if it had been restored by CCS or Hero this book would have sold almost instantly. People spending large sums of money on books tend to do their research, and any stigma (pgx in your case) turns them off completely. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @shrewbeer I find it amusing when sellers price their PGX books higher than CGC or CBCS. You would think the practice is uncommon but it happens all the time. |
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| I could very well be wrong, but I just cant see anyone paying more than raw value for a PGX graded book at this high a price point | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @shrewbeer That is how I would approach them but they wouldn't be pricing them so high if they didn't get the occasional sucker to buy them. | ||
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| Thst af15 is beautiful! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Yeah that's fair to say. But the demand for Showcase #4 is also substantially lower than Hulk #181. I mean, there has only been 16 recorded sales across all sale sites for Showcase #4 since 2017 started...In July alone, there have been 41 Hulk #181 sales. LOL! I think DC just isn't on par with the Marvel hype these days, truly. Quote: Originally Posted by rckstr1253 Thank you! I miss it dearly, it was a true gem to own for the few years I had it. Sometimes I would just stare at it and say "this is an AF15...in my hands..." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Actually...now that I think about it, I didn't consider print runs. I imagine Hulk #181 had a much larger print run and it was also produced many years later so that's why so many exist in high condition(compared to SC4). Although there is something to be said about what is constantly selling, a consistency factor and popularity factor are in play. |
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| @comic_book_man That wasnt my point. I was making the point that once stigma is attached to a particular item, there is a price point at which people just arent willing to go past, its too risky. That 35k book is sitting there without a sale bc a trusted company called the restorer garbage. CBCS has publicly stated PGX is garbage grading (obviously not in those terms). I would be interested to know what the highest price PGX book ever sold is. Knowing they grade high and miss restoration, personally I wouldnt spend more than raw 9.4 value, and only then if I could hold it to look it over as well. Hey, you might get a sale (and I hope you do!), but I guess what I'm saying is I think it will be extremely difficult to get someone to pay more than 9.6 money for it (~8k), nevermind 25, when a 9.8 can easily be had for 15k from a reputable grader. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer True true. I think PGX is known for having missed restoration on mid to low grade comics. As far as I've seen, especially in high grades for CBCS, CGC, and PGX is that they have been within 1-2 grades of each other. Also, apparently PGX "grades harder" on Moderns but then again this is all just what I've seen online from videos and read on other forums over the years. I think for the most part we've agreed in this thread that a fair price is between a 9.6 - 9.8 signature series, which I think is totally fair. But, I can understand if someone would pay less or more, depending on their evaluation. It's a beautiful comic IMO(sad to let it go, PGX or not). |
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