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Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar I hope your wrong on this I don't want CBCS to have any connection to the CGC census or registry. CBCS's product should be able to stand on it's own without piggy backing on the competition. I think they were giving the 50 cent discount to help people start switching over their slabs. Keep in mind if you sent in a CGC slab to cbcs more then likely they sent the old label back to CGC so the competition could update their census or Steve Borock may have made a ceremonial Indian head dress with the labels. Either way I want CBCS to stay away from being tied to CGC in any way. CGC doesn't seem to want to play nice CBCS should follow suite and not tie anything about then to CGC. Other then the fact seems like a lot of the people at CBCS has a history with CGC. |
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@Odvar what are talking about man, I can't make heads or tails of it? CBCS does regrade CGC slabs, they do it all the time. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle That much of a discount would not be enough to gain people to switch their CGC slab over to CBCS, and then have CBCS pay shipping and handling to send it back to CGC. When a company's product ends up in the hands of another company and they have their hands on it while taking it apart, then it would become a legal issue. To alleviate such thing, they would have to come to the table with an agreement to alleviate waste and costs. |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I mentioned that I saw somewhere on the CBCS website that they were taking in CGC comics. Re-grading or re-slabbing, they were doing something and then ran into legal issues. |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Basically I couldn't find where I had found that option, but someone says they may have started doing that for a short period. Who knows. | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar50 cents would be enough if you lost confidence in CGC. And please post up a link where CBCS got in trouble for bring in CGC slabs to regrade. CGC has filed law suites on CBCS trying to kill them in their infancy and nothing stuck as far as I know. |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
@JWKyle Whoa there, I wasn't saying that it happened. I was just making a theory based on why I couldn't find the part where CBCS was saying they would take in CGC slabs. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar Well they never have not excepted CGC slabs, my last three books were sent inside of CGC slabs, CBCS even recognizes yellow labels from CGC to keep the yellow status on the CBCS label. The only thing they ever ran into a legal battle over was the use of the "Star Grade" which CGC claimed copywrite and trademark on. CBCS solved that by turning it into a "Checkmark Grade." There was also a short time last year they excepted #CreepEngines at a discounted grade fee, but there was nit legal trouble about that, it was simply a one time offer to help people who were worried about their books inside of the faulty CGC slabs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Ok then, I wasn't saying anything bad. I just know I saw it somewhere where they advertised it and couldn't find it. |
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You're probably thinking of the regrade discount on the Creep Engine fiasco. They advertised the discount, but it was only meant as a short term offer, then prices went back to normal. But they have always and still do take in CGC slabs for regrade. | ||
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Possibly. I just know that when it comes to business, companies in the same practice often go after competitors for many things that include property and usage. Basically I am saying that I am theorizing the possible business legality of taking in someone's slabbed book and re-slabbing it within a facility of a competitor. | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
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Atakmunky7 private msg quote post Address this user | |
I don't see how cgc would have any recourse. When you get a book graded that slab becomes your property. You can then do with it whatever you want. If you feel the slab is defective you can have it cracked and regraded by whomever you like. The cgc slab is bought and paid for by you and cgc has no claim over it. That's how I see it anyways. | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
CGC and CBCS will never team up. While both of course are in it for the money, One is largely corporate minded, and the other collector driven. As for the other stuff recently discussed, man that was tough getting through ![]() |
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Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company. | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
CBCS sends CGC labels back to them for census update. I wonder if CGC does the same courtesy for CBCS? I know we don't have a public Census, but all the data is still being kept by CBCS for the eventual day. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Combining a census directory is not "teaming up" but cooperating with consumers to better service would save both companies money and allow them to focus on advertising. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar Now is a straight bold face lie from CGC! LOL, opening CGC slabs is not difficult at all. Granted, the new slab takes longer because all 4 sides are glued, but they did nothing special to prevent it from being cracked same way as the past slabs. ![]() |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Maybe I am reading it wrong. It's iffy. Here is a link to where I am reading this. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/holder-faq.asp |
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OdvarThe Special tool I use to open my new style CGC slabs is a butter knife from the kitchen. That way I don't cut myself. Some people use old style can opener also. Not sure if the video is still on youtube the owner of Bedrock comics was Shucking the creep engine slabs like clams. |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle That maybe so, but that is up to the court system to decide based on accusations if there were any. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
There's a bunch of videos on YouTube opening slabs, old, creep, new, and otherwise. @Odvar I think you read it right, but it's still a joke of them to claim that a special tool is required. I think they just want to discourage the practice. They should have just said "Signature Series slabs should only be opened by authorized CGC witnesses to ensure the validity of the label." That would have been the same statement without the silly claim. |
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I think it's also worth noting that CBCS doesn't charge anything extra for cracking slabs, so I will just let them do it and save my butter knives for butter. | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
@DarthLego they really glued all four sides? Isn't that a huge no-no in terms of comics drowning in their own gas? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I'm sure most of it is for "courtesy" sake but there's got to be a little bit of "we just took this many of your slabs off the market" thrown in for good measure ;-) |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer That was my thought too, but I've been told by others here they are not sealed airtight. |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Is this from their old slabs? | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar to what are you referring? |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
@DarthLego your slab that was glued from CGC, was it their old ones? | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Odvar no, it's their new slab that is sealed on 4 sides. The old slab can pull apart on the sides just like a CBCS slab. | ||
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