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They may have ran into legal issues SO FAR, but doesn't mean that they can't adjust within an agreement to take on a competitors slab if they both come to the table based on a competitors agreement. It would be like CGC wouldn't appreciate their slabbed comic being submitted to CBCS that may hold very specific ways of encapsulating (who knows) or something like that if there really is much of a difference. It's like McDonalds trying to figure out a competitors secret sauce. Anyways, this doesn't mean that they can't come to an agreement based on competition, which would mean they would have to pump out more money for advertisement and give better benefits to their loyal members. However, this could be good because it may allow both CGC and CBCS to combine an accurate directory of graded census. The reason being is that if CGC has 200 graded comics of a specific issue and CBCS has 40, it would potentially allow someone to be more inclined to get their book graded by CBCS knowing that there are only 40 graded issues by them without taking into consideration the CGC census. What does this have to do with handing over another company's slab to be graded by another? Well, if someone were to do such a thing and it became very common, then it would double the amount of comics graded on a census and confuse the market where the book is constantly circulated through buyers. Also, you can't exactly have someone take out a comic that is slabbed just to submit it. That would be ridiculous. So, I am pretty sure this is connecting the dots and we will see something very interesting in the future with cross over grading of slabs and a combined directory for a census.


I hope your wrong on this I don't want CBCS to have any connection to the CGC census or registry. CBCS's product should be able to stand on it's own without piggy backing on the competition. I think they were giving the 50 cent discount to help people start switching over their slabs. Keep in mind if you sent in a CGC slab to cbcs more then likely they sent the old label back to CGC so the competition could update their census or Steve Borock may have made a ceremonial Indian head dress with the labels. Either way I want CBCS to stay away from being tied to CGC in any way. CGC doesn't seem to want to play nice CBCS should follow suite and not tie anything about then to CGC. Other then the fact seems like a lot of the people at CBCS has a history with CGC.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
@Odvar what are talking about man, I can't make heads or tails of it? CBCS does regrade CGC slabs, they do it all the time.
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Originally Posted by Odvar
They may have ran into legal issues SO FAR, but doesn't mean that they can't adjust within an agreement to take on a competitors slab if they both come to the table based on a competitors agreement. It would be like CGC wouldn't appreciate their slabbed comic being submitted to CBCS that may hold very specific ways of encapsulating (who knows) or something like that if there really is much of a difference. It's like McDonalds trying to figure out a competitors secret sauce. Anyways, this doesn't mean that they can't come to an agreement based on competition, which would mean they would have to pump out more money for advertisement and give better benefits to their loyal members. However, this could be good because it may allow both CGC and CBCS to combine an accurate directory of graded census. The reason being is that if CGC has 200 graded comics of a specific issue and CBCS has 40, it would potentially allow someone to be more inclined to get their book graded by CBCS knowing that there are only 40 graded issues by them without taking into consideration the CGC census. What does this have to do with handing over another company's slab to be graded by another? Well, if someone were to do such a thing and it became very common, then it would double the amount of comics graded on a census and confuse the market where the book is constantly circulated through buyers. Also, you can't exactly have someone take out a comic that is slabbed just to submit it. That would be ridiculous. So, I am pretty sure this is connecting the dots and we will see something very interesting in the future with cross over grading of slabs and a combined directory for a census.


I hope your wrong on this I don't want CBCS to have any connection to the CGC census or registry. CBCS's product should be able to stand on it's own without piggy backing on the competition. I think they were giving the 50 cent discount to help people start switching over their slabs. Keep in mind if you sent in a CGC slab to cbcs more then likely they sent the old label back to CGC so the competition could update their census or Steve Borock may have made a ceremonial Indian head dress with the labels. Either way I want CBCS to stay away from being tied to CGC in any way. CGC doesn't seem to want to play nice CBCS should follow suite and not tie anything about then to CGC. Other then the fact seems like a lot of the people at CBCS has a history with CGC.


That much of a discount would not be enough to gain people to switch their CGC slab over to CBCS, and then have CBCS pay shipping and handling to send it back to CGC. When a company's product ends up in the hands of another company and they have their hands on it while taking it apart, then it would become a legal issue. To alleviate such thing, they would have to come to the table with an agreement to alleviate waste and costs.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
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@Odvar what are talking about man, I can't make heads or tails of it? CBCS does regrade CGC slabs, they do it all the time.


I mentioned that I saw somewhere on the CBCS website that they were taking in CGC comics. Re-grading or re-slabbing, they were doing something and then ran into legal issues.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
Basically I couldn't find where I had found that option, but someone says they may have started doing that for a short period. Who knows.
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
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They may have ran into legal issues SO FAR, but doesn't mean that they can't adjust within an agreement to take on a competitors slab if they both come to the table based on a competitors agreement. It would be like CGC wouldn't appreciate their slabbed comic being submitted to CBCS that may hold very specific ways of encapsulating (who knows) or something like that if there really is much of a difference. It's like McDonalds trying to figure out a competitors secret sauce. Anyways, this doesn't mean that they can't come to an agreement based on competition, which would mean they would have to pump out more money for advertisement and give better benefits to their loyal members. However, this could be good because it may allow both CGC and CBCS to combine an accurate directory of graded census. The reason being is that if CGC has 200 graded comics of a specific issue and CBCS has 40, it would potentially allow someone to be more inclined to get their book graded by CBCS knowing that there are only 40 graded issues by them without taking into consideration the CGC census. What does this have to do with handing over another company's slab to be graded by another? Well, if someone were to do such a thing and it became very common, then it would double the amount of comics graded on a census and confuse the market where the book is constantly circulated through buyers. Also, you can't exactly have someone take out a comic that is slabbed just to submit it. That would be ridiculous. So, I am pretty sure this is connecting the dots and we will see something very interesting in the future with cross over grading of slabs and a combined directory for a census.


I hope your wrong on this I don't want CBCS to have any connection to the CGC census or registry. CBCS's product should be able to stand on it's own without piggy backing on the competition. I think they were giving the 50 cent discount to help people start switching over their slabs. Keep in mind if you sent in a CGC slab to cbcs more then likely they sent the old label back to CGC so the competition could update their census or Steve Borock may have made a ceremonial Indian head dress with the labels. Either way I want CBCS to stay away from being tied to CGC in any way. CGC doesn't seem to want to play nice CBCS should follow suite and not tie anything about then to CGC. Other then the fact seems like a lot of the people at CBCS has a history with CGC.


That much of a discount would not be enough to gain people to switch their CGC slab over to CBCS, and then have CBCS pay shipping and handling to send it back to CGC. When a company's product ends up in the hands of another company and they have their hands on it while taking it apart, then it would become a legal issue. To alleviate such thing, they would have to come to the table with an agreement to alleviate waste and costs.
50 cents would be enough if you lost confidence in CGC. And please post up a link where CBCS got in trouble for bring in CGC slabs to regrade. CGC has filed law suites on CBCS trying to kill them in their infancy and nothing stuck as far as I know.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
@JWKyle Whoa there, I wasn't saying that it happened. I was just making a theory based on why I couldn't find the part where CBCS was saying they would take in CGC slabs.
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Basically I couldn't find where I had found that option, but someone says they may have started doing that for a short period. Who knows.

Well they never have not excepted CGC slabs, my last three books were sent inside of CGC slabs, CBCS even recognizes yellow labels from CGC to keep the yellow status on the CBCS label.

The only thing they ever ran into a legal battle over was the use of the "Star Grade" which CGC claimed copywrite and trademark on. CBCS solved that by turning it into a "Checkmark Grade."

There was also a short time last year they excepted #CreepEngines at a discounted grade fee, but there was nit legal trouble about that, it was simply a one time offer to help people who were worried about their books inside of the faulty CGC slabs.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
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Basically I couldn't find where I had found that option, but someone says they may have started doing that for a short period. Who knows.

Well they never have not excepted CGC slabs, my last three books were sent inside of CGC slabs, CBCS even recognizes yellow labels from CGC to keep the yellow status on the CBCS label.

The thing they ever ran into a legal battle over was the use of the "Star Grade" which CGC claimed copywrite and trademark on. CBCS solved that by turning it into a "Checkmark Grade."

There was also a short time last year they excepted #CreepEngines at a discounted grade fee, but there was nit legal trouble about that, it was simply a one time offer to help people who were worried about their books inside of the faulty CGC slabs.


Ok then, I wasn't saying anything bad. I just know I saw it somewhere where they advertised it and couldn't find it.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
You're probably thinking of the regrade discount on the Creep Engine fiasco. They advertised the discount, but it was only meant as a short term offer, then prices went back to normal. But they have always and still do take in CGC slabs for regrade.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
Possibly. I just know that when it comes to business, companies in the same practice often go after competitors for many things that include property and usage. Basically I am saying that I am theorizing the possible business legality of taking in someone's slabbed book and re-slabbing it within a facility of a competitor.
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@JWKyle Whoa there, I wasn't saying that it happened. I was just making a theory based on why I couldn't find the part where CBCS was saying they would take in CGC slabs.


I'm not worked up. I for one was a CGC guy all the way. I guess I kind of opened up to CBCS during the Creep engine slab. It showed me how CGC handled stuff just by deleting threads (the evidence) and pretending everything was sunshine and butterflies. They worked out their case issues(except for the Newton rings)and how do they reward their loyal customer. You got it a price increase across the board. I wouldn't put it pass CGC to file a law suite on CBCS for anything they could. I just don't think it's possible to file one where CGC complains CBCS has CGC's product on their premises. Keep in mind I'm sure people take CBCS slabs and send them directly to CGC for regrading and reslabbing it's a two way street.
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I don't see how cgc would have any recourse. When you get a book graded that slab becomes your property. You can then do with it whatever you want. If you feel the slab is defective you can have it cracked and regraded by whomever you like. The cgc slab is bought and paid for by you and cgc has no claim over it. That's how I see it anyways.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
CGC and CBCS will never team up. While both of course are in it for the money, One is largely corporate minded, and the other collector driven.

As for the other stuff recently discussed, man that was tough getting through


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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
CBCS sends CGC labels back to them for census update. I wonder if CGC does the same courtesy for CBCS? I know we don't have a public Census, but all the data is still being kept by CBCS for the eventual day.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
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CGC and CBCS will never team up. While both of course are in it for the money, One is largely corporate minded, and the other collector driven.

As for the other stuff recently discussed, man that was tough getting through




Combining a census directory is not "teaming up" but cooperating with consumers to better service would save both companies money and allow them to focus on advertising.
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Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company.


Now is a straight bold face lie from CGC! LOL, opening CGC slabs is not difficult at all. Granted, the new slab takes longer because all 4 sides are glued, but they did nothing special to prevent it from being cracked same way as the past slabs.
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Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company.


Now is a straight bold face lie from CGC! LOL, opening CGC slabs is not difficult at all. Granted, the new slab takes longer because all 4 sides are glued, but they did nothing special to prevent it from being cracked same way as the past slabs.


Maybe I am reading it wrong. It's iffy. Here is a link to where I am reading this.

https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/holder-faq.asp
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
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Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company.
The Special tool I use to open my new style CGC slabs is a butter knife from the kitchen. That way I don't cut myself. Some people use old style can opener also. Not sure if the video is still on youtube the owner of Bedrock comics was Shucking the creep engine slabs like clams.
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
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Well, I am reading now where CGC is claiming that while they do get their slabs from a third party, like CBCS does, there are certain modifications that are made to ensure that only CGC can open them based on special tools used specifically BY CGC. This means that if you bring it into another facility, that facility would have to have the same tools to open that signature method without damaging such property. It's the method of usage and the possibility of having tools in your possession as a company that you may be using. Not saying that CBCS is doing this, but CGC would definitely file a suite to make sure of this at any cost to limit competition. Even if you get slabs from third parties, they can still sue for methods used on their specific method of slabbing that is exclusive to a company.
The Special tool I use to open my new style CGC slabs is a butter knife from the kitchen. That way I don't cut myself. Some people use old style can opener also. Not sure if the video is still on youtube the owner of Bedrock comics was Shucking the creep engine slabs like clams.


That maybe so, but that is up to the court system to decide based on accusations if there were any.
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There's a bunch of videos on YouTube opening slabs, old, creep, new, and otherwise.

@Odvar I think you read it right, but it's still a joke of them to claim that a special tool is required. I think they just want to discourage the practice. They should have just said "Signature Series slabs should only be opened by authorized CGC witnesses to ensure the validity of the label." That would have been the same statement without the silly claim.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
I think it's also worth noting that CBCS doesn't charge anything extra for cracking slabs, so I will just let them do it and save my butter knives for butter.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
@DarthLego they really glued all four sides? Isn't that a huge no-no in terms of comics drowning in their own gas?
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CBCS sends CGC labels back to them for census update. I wonder if CGC does the same courtesy for CBCS? I know we don't have a public Census, but all the data is still being kept by CBCS for the eventual day.

I'm sure most of it is for "courtesy" sake but there's got to be a little bit of "we just took this many of your slabs off the market" thrown in for good measure ;-)
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@DarthLego they really glued all four sides? Isn't that a huge no-no in terms of comics drowning in their own gas?

That was my thought too, but I've been told by others here they are not sealed airtight.
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Is this from their old slabs?
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Is this from their old slabs?

to what are you referring?
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Collector Odvar private msg quote post Address this user
@DarthLego your slab that was glued from CGC, was it their old ones?
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@Odvar no, it's their new slab that is sealed on 4 sides. The old slab can pull apart on the sides just like a CBCS slab.
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