Grading Companies3754

Originally Posted by DarthLego
Not only is PGX's grade not trusted, you have to think about their poor track record spotting restoration too. I agree they should not even be part of the conversation, and I would discount someone who chooses to discuss them as if they were a legitimate business. imo

Originally Posted by DarthLego
CGC books sell higher because CBCS sellers get impatient and undercut themselves and the competition. Buyers always bargain hunt, so which slab will they buy, the one on sale of course. But that CGC book will always sit longer than the guy willing to undercut for fast cash.

Originally Posted by DarthLego
@JWKyle I myself have paid more to get a book in CBCS rather than CGC, mostly because if I buy a CGC it's going to be sent to CBCS anyway so I factor in regarding cost. Spending a few bucks more actually saves me a higher regrade fee in the future.

Originally Posted by DarthLego
@Rafel I know right! But I only mention it, because it keeps coming up about "oh but CGC sells for more" ... When the truth is closer to CGC sellers ask more, and CBCS sellers are undercutting them to put real money into real pockets, of course tho leads to data that is skewed in one direction, and if it's looked upon without actually considering real world day to day market dynamics it creates a false picture. It would be the equivalent of thinking milk at Kroger must be better because I can get milk cheaper at WalMart. Nobody buying milk in the real world thinks that way, but somehow people buying comic books in the real world are thinking that way.

Originally Posted by Odvar
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Originally Posted by DarthLego
Not only is PGX's grade not trusted, you have to think about their poor track record spotting restoration too. I agree they should not even be part of the conversation, and I would discount someone who chooses to discuss them as if they were a legitimate business. imo

I was just throwing PGX into the mix for awareness experience for myself and most. The point of this post is to make aware of the importance in choosing which grading company to choose and how competition influences grades, slabbing, pricing and potential opportunities for consumers in loyalty to a company that grows. You have to have comparison between competitors such as CGC, CBCS and PGX in order to grasp the quality and growth of a company. CGC started in 2000 and PGX started 2002. CGC obviously held the standard for good quality and professionalism for the consumer, where PGX over a decade later is still trying to play catch up and just recently started changing their image to appeal to the consumer. CBCS seized an opportunity at the right time with the right background and capital to give the consumer WHAT THEY NEED rather than settling for restricted guidelines that were not appealing to the consumer. CBCS started 3 years ago and is growing quite rapidly. To invest in them is to send your comics in to be graded to help create a census, eliminate straggling companies like PGX, force CGC to comply to consumer needs and demands (Newsstand labels) and create a standard on pricing. This is not to mention reward programs in place that creates a line of membership for loyalty.

Originally Posted by J_Walker
but I should still get reholdered due to the micro chamber paper?

Originally Posted by Odvar
They may have ran into legal issues SO FAR, but doesn't mean that they can't adjust within an agreement to take on a competitors slab if they both come to the table based on a competitors agreement. It would be like CGC wouldn't appreciate their slabbed comic being submitted to CBCS that may hold very specific ways of encapsulating (who knows) or something like that if there really is much of a difference. It's like McDonalds trying to figure out a competitors secret sauce. Anyways, this doesn't mean that they can't come to an agreement based on competition, which would mean they would have to pump out more money for advertisement and give better benefits to their loyal members. However, this could be good because it may allow both CGC and CBCS to combine an accurate directory of graded census. The reason being is that if CGC has 200 graded comics of a specific issue and CBCS has 40, it would potentially allow someone to be more inclined to get their book graded by CBCS knowing that there are only 40 graded issues by them without taking into consideration the CGC census. What does this have to do with handing over another company's slab to be graded by another? Well, if someone were to do such a thing and it became very common, then it would double the amount of comics graded on a census and confuse the market where the book is constantly circulated through buyers. Also, you can't exactly have someone take out a comic that is slabbed just to submit it. That would be ridiculous. So, I am pretty sure this is connecting the dots and we will see something very interesting in the future with cross over grading of slabs and a combined directory for a census.

Originally Posted by JWKyle
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Originally Posted by Odvar
They may have ran into legal issues SO FAR, but doesn't mean that they can't adjust within an agreement to take on a competitors slab if they both come to the table based on a competitors agreement. It would be like CGC wouldn't appreciate their slabbed comic being submitted to CBCS that may hold very specific ways of encapsulating (who knows) or something like that if there really is much of a difference. It's like McDonalds trying to figure out a competitors secret sauce. Anyways, this doesn't mean that they can't come to an agreement based on competition, which would mean they would have to pump out more money for advertisement and give better benefits to their loyal members. However, this could be good because it may allow both CGC and CBCS to combine an accurate directory of graded census. The reason being is that if CGC has 200 graded comics of a specific issue and CBCS has 40, it would potentially allow someone to be more inclined to get their book graded by CBCS knowing that there are only 40 graded issues by them without taking into consideration the CGC census. What does this have to do with handing over another company's slab to be graded by another? Well, if someone were to do such a thing and it became very common, then it would double the amount of comics graded on a census and confuse the market where the book is constantly circulated through buyers. Also, you can't exactly have someone take out a comic that is slabbed just to submit it. That would be ridiculous. So, I am pretty sure this is connecting the dots and we will see something very interesting in the future with cross over grading of slabs and a combined directory for a census.

I hope your wrong on this I don't want CBCS to have any connection to the CGC census or registry. CBCS's product should be able to stand on it's own without piggy backing on the competition. I think they were giving the 50 cent discount to help people start switching over their slabs. Keep in mind if you sent in a CGC slab to cbcs more then likely they sent the old label back to CGC so the competition could update their census or Steve Borock may have made a ceremonial Indian head dress with the labels. Either way I want CBCS to stay away from being tied to CGC in any way. CGC doesn't seem to want to play nice CBCS should follow suite and not tie anything about then to CGC. Other then the fact seems like a lot of the people at CBCS has a history with CGC.