Grading Companies3754

Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by Towmater
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Originally Posted by Jake_Fleming
Thread is unlocked again. Keep it civil. Don't report each other over nothing, or who you hope to get B& will not be the one struck by the hammer.

Unfortunately that's what happens when people don't know how to deal with other people directly.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
And for those of you making these claims of "bad faith! UNETHICAL!!!", you better be informing your customers, and telling everyone else to inform their customers, of all these instances of OPINION changes.

"Well, CBCS graded this 9.2, but I called them up and asked them to review it, so they gave it a 9.4."

"Well, CGC graded this a 6.5, but I don't think it's any better than a 5.0, so bid accordingly."

"Well, CBCS graded this a 9.4, but I cracked and pressed it, and it came back a 9.2, so I'll crack it and offer it as a 9.4, since that's what it was."

"Well, this was a CGC 8.5, but I had it pressed, and now it's a 9.2. I think it should have gone to 9.4."

"Well, this was a CBCS 7.0, but I cracked it, had it pressed, and removed some significant pencil scribbles on the back cover, and now you can't even tell they were there, so it's a 9.2."


"Well, I pressed this book, but I overhydrated it, so it has some substantial waves to it that it didn't have before...but CGC and CBCS didn't count off much for it, so bid accordingly."

To be logically consistent, you would have to say all of this, you better be disclosing ALL of this, or you're "withholding information" and "being deceptive" and "hiding things."

Because, after all, customers can't be relied upon to come to their own conclusions about grades...right?

Choosing not to include someone else's APPRAISAL of the condition of an item that you don't agree with IS NOT DECEPTION.

Only those who are label slaves, or have agendas, would say otherwise.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by Towmater
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Originally Posted by Jake_Fleming
Thread is unlocked again. Keep it civil. Don't report each other over nothing, or who you hope to get B& will not be the one struck by the hammer.

Unfortunately that's what happens when people don't know how to deal with other people directly.

That's true. There are, after all, many, many people who can't emotionally handle someone disagreeing with them, so they persistently demand those people be silenced, often by being banned.

Banning people is admitting failure. It's never the answer, outside of those spamming or committing criminal activity. Everyone has value, and is worthy of a measure of respect. Everyone has something of value to share with others, a perspective which may not have been considered. Banning people, because of the offendedness of some, silences those perspectives.

Of course, it's also true that there are many, many people who cannot deal with others in a way which manifests itself in hiding behind varying degrees of moderation on various boards, hoping to provoke others into getting banned, while refusing opportunities to discuss things openly in places where that is appropriate.

I'm sure that doesn't apply to anyone here, though.

Originally Posted by Logan510


Telling a "client" to essentially deceive buyers, no problemo!

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Mods have told me in the past to stop doing something. I stopped doing that something. Pretty simple really.

We are hanging out on a business' website. The mods must defend the wall, they need to protect the brand over all else; and they should. Even if that means stomping on someone for what may seem to others as undeserved.

Absolutely! It's important for any business to protect its interests, or it doesn't long remain in business.

That said, businesses are still made up of people, and people do things they shouldn't, including things that might be contrary to the interests of the company.

It's important to treat every customer and potential customer with respect, by being open to criticism (how else will they improve?), and treating everyone with courtesy and dignity by applying the rules consistently to all, all the time, regardless of one's personal feelings.

That is success!

Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by Towmater
The moderation of a board only decides to ban someone when they choose to act outside the rules and ignores repeated attempts to get that person to change their activities. If a person gets banned or is under the threat of it then it is their own fault. He/she bought it upon himself/herself.

So simple really, yet so difficult for some to grasp.

Telling a "client" to essentially deceive buyers, no problemo!

Getting censored on a company owned comic book message board, criminal!

It's madness

Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Logan510


Telling a "client" to essentially deceive buyers, no problemo!

You keep saying this, but, as I've shown over and over, it's not true, even "essentially."

Please refer to post #289 in this thread for the complete explanation.

I keep saying that because that is what happened. Walls of text and bad analogies are not going to change that.

Originally Posted by PeteN
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
And for those of you making these claims of "bad faith! UNETHICAL!!!", you better be informing your customers, and telling everyone else to inform their customers, of all these instances of OPINION changes.

"Well, CBCS graded this 9.2, but I called them up and asked them to review it, so they gave it a 9.4."

"Well, CGC graded this a 6.5, but I don't think it's any better than a 5.0, so bid accordingly."

"Well, CBCS graded this a 9.4, but I cracked and pressed it, and it came back a 9.2, so I'll crack it and offer it as a 9.4, since that's what it was."

"Well, this was a CGC 8.5, but I had it pressed, and now it's a 9.2. I think it should have gone to 9.4."

"Well, this was a CBCS 7.0, but I cracked it, had it pressed, and removed some significant pencil scribbles on the back cover, and now you can't even tell they were there, so it's a 9.2."


"Well, I pressed this book, but I overhydrated it, so it has some substantial waves to it that it didn't have before...but CGC and CBCS didn't count off much for it, so bid accordingly."

To be logically consistent, you would have to say all of this, you better be disclosing ALL of this, or you're "withholding information" and "being deceptive" and "hiding things."

Because, after all, customers can't be relied upon to come to their own conclusions about grades...right?

Choosing not to include someone else's APPRAISAL of the condition of an item that you don't agree with IS NOT DECEPTION.

Only those who are label slaves, or have agendas, would say otherwise.

Doc Brown...I'm not an expert on grading, but are you saying if you get a grade of 9.4 from say CBCS or CGC you are able to call them and have them review it again because you are not happy? And do you get charged for this? I'm sorry if that's common knowledge, I didn't know that was possible...my second question would be does this work? have you seen grade bumps this way? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Mods have told me in the past to stop doing something. I stopped doing that something. Pretty simple really.

We are hanging out on a business' website. The mods must defend the wall, they need to protect the brand over all else; and they should. Even if that means stomping on someone for what may seem to others as undeserved.

Absolutely! It's important for any business to protect its interests, or it doesn't long remain in business.

That said, businesses are still made up of people, and people do things they shouldn't, including things that might be contrary to the interests of the company.

It's important to treat every customer and potential customer with respect, by being open to criticism (how else will they improve?), and treating everyone with courtesy and dignity by applying the rules consistently to all, all the time, regardless of one's personal feelings.

That is success!

And if all else fails, rant, rave and make vile comments about people here elsewhere as opposed to telling them how you really feel.

I'm not sure I know to what you're referring, but as shrewbeer said, this is a BUSINESS website, and it's not appropriate...or welcome...to be completely honest with how someone "really feels", especially when people have, themselves, been vile in their own behavior.

There are places that are appropriate for those kinds of conversations...this is not one of them, understandably so.

For those in the know, the bolded is all anyone really needs to see

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by Logan510
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Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Mods have told me in the past to stop doing something. I stopped doing that something. Pretty simple really.

We are hanging out on a business' website. The mods must defend the wall, they need to protect the brand over all else; and they should. Even if that means stomping on someone for what may seem to others as undeserved.

Absolutely! It's important for any business to protect its interests, or it doesn't long remain in business.

That said, businesses are still made up of people, and people do things they shouldn't, including things that might be contrary to the interests of the company.

It's important to treat every customer and potential customer with respect, by being open to criticism (how else will they improve?), and treating everyone with courtesy and dignity by applying the rules consistently to all, all the time, regardless of one's personal feelings.

That is success!

And if all else fails, rant, rave and make vile comments about people here elsewhere as opposed to telling them how you really feel.

I'm not sure I know to what you're referring, but as shrewbeer said, this is a BUSINESS website, and it's not appropriate...or welcome...to be completely honest with how someone "really feels", especially when people have, themselves, been vile in their own behavior.

There are places that are appropriate for those kinds of conversations...this is not one of them, understandably so.

For those in the know, the bolded is all anyone really needs to see

Might I ask to what you're referring, so we're not all in the dark...? After all, isn't your point about how people are supposed to be honest about how they really feel...?

Originally Posted by Logan510
OK, you post some pretty vile things on another message board about several members who post on this board. Things that you would probably never have the courage to say to someone directly. I would post direct links but I know those would get deleted.