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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So, I was browsing around eBay and came across comics that were graded by PGX. Their labeling looked very amateur and made me question their grading skills. So I decided to look at their page and found that they have come out with new labels to match those of CBCS and CGC. While it is common for competing companies to do such a thing, it just makes me wonder who may possibly have better quality in grading and slabbing. CBCS is my first as their website and explanation of grading appealed to me. For some reason I trust them based on the product and service they have delivered with two of my books so far. I would like to see what everyone else's opinion is on the difference in grading, slabbing and why you chose to go with a particular company? Three companies to compare: CBCS, CGC, and PGX. | ||
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Don't forget EGC!!!!  HAHA! |
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| There is no comparison. PGX should just plain & outright never be a thought in ones mind. | ||
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by nikki666666 Who? |
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nikki666666 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you check ebay @Odvar you'll see a seller called silver acre comics... it just so happens that he is the only person that has EGC graded comics... hummmm.... suspicious! |
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Odvar private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by nikki666666 Such a rarity. |
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| @Odvar do a search on here with the terms CBCS CGC, you should find some interesting comparisons, as this question is asked here frequently. PGX books are worthless, they miss many defects and thus grade wayyy to high. Basically everyone sucks except CBCS |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Perhaps I should have searched, but then what is the fun in that? Threads begin to pile up with off topic dialogues and nobody is going to read through that stuff. I prefer to start fresh  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OdvarQuote: Originally Posted by OdvarQuote: Originally Posted by OdvarI personally like cbcs they where my first company I used for grading and they're very reliable |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar clickable text Conflict of interests notice. Please note Euro Grader EGC is run and housed inside the offices of Silver Acre Comics Ltd., Chester. Avoid Both Companies  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Odvar I'm not normally one to spout off "do a search" in a question thread (it's rude), but this subject seems to be an exception. Here's a recent one thats only a few threads down the main page. Unfortunately you'll find the discussion gets less lively each time it's brought up as people get burnt out from the subject lol. We need some fresh meat in here to argue the subject I suppose  https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/3667/page/1/lets-see-if-i-burst-i-to-flames/#24 |
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| Honestly, CGC makes a nice product. Their customer service, (or lack their of) is my issue. Otherwise, this is simply a Coke VS. Pepsi situation. Try both and see which one you prefer. One big deciding factor for me is, CBCS books don't need to be sent in for a re-holder every five to seven years. I've been told the newer CGC slabs no longer require this, but, I'm not inclined to take chances with such things. Now, with PGX? We've had a few threads comparing PGX slabs that were re-graded by CBCS. In most cases, they saw a .5 to full grade drop. In one case, I think there was even a two full grade drop! There was an instance where PGX was too strict and CBCS actually gave a higher grade. But this is the exception, not the rule. Now, some collectors have got great deals on PGX books, had them pressed and re-graded, and they kept the same grade. To me, this just suggests PGX is simply the least consistent with grading and generally speaking, they should be avoided. |
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| Here is my thing and my feeling on the 2 grading companies. I say 2 because I feel I can grade just as well as any other companies out there so books graded by anyone else carry no premium for me. I will treat it as I'm buying a raw copy and pay as it is raw. CGC-- don't really like the fact they they went from Steve Borock being the face of the company to Mark Haspel,Shawn Caffrey and now Matt Nelson seems to be the face of CGC. I'm not saying CGC product is bad it just seems they are in a constant change and the new price hikes don't really endear me to them either. Keep in mind I'm not saying anything bad about anyone affiliated with CGC just seems to always be something changing with them and not always for the better. CBCS-- You get Steve Borock the guy how basically put 2 grading companies on the map. You get better modern pricing although I'm still a little in flux with the pre-75 pricing on common stuff they still can't beat CGC pricing even with CGC raising prices (come on CBCS made it so). They were monkeying around with their label , just keep it the same. A lot of the stuff that makes CGC better is not at CBCS yet. A Census and Registry is really needed I feel this will help common slabs attain better prices for set collectors. |
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| If it wasn't for the comic destroying cases they have now that they refuse to fix I would gladly use either CGC or CBCS if I was at a con that only one was at for witnessing. but I pretty much refuse to let a comic of mine in their new holders in fear it's going to get damaged. Now I'm strictly CBCS. | ||
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| @Odvar PGX's poor grading habits is just the tip of the iceberg of their problems. Stick with CBCS and CGC. Even those of us who hate CGC still have a modicum of respect for them and will still buy their slabs. There is almost zero respect for PGX here, and it is well deserved. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle +1 - I am sitting on a stack of silver age I would like to grade, but the sticker price is scaring me away. |
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| It intrigues me that their are still collectors out there, that don't know the reputation of PGX. Either they don't actually do much collecting or submitting books for grading. Or, the hobby is constantly expanding its base. I doubt the latter, but I don't really know. So, is the hobby adding new converts? Seems to me, to be the same ole crowd. Here, there and everywhere. |
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| I have always heard to stay away from PGX but no-one seems to know why. I've seen the ninja turtle video and examples of their generous grades. But CGC has more shenanigans than that and people flock to them. I haven't even seen a reason why CBCS disregards PGX, they just do. I don't own any PGX myself, but I can see how people get tired of hearing bad things about PGX yet no-one has any solid reason to dismiss them. I wish someone would make an official announcement on why to keep clear of PGX. It would help a lot of people out and the next time a fellow collector asks me why not to use PGX I can tell them. Instead of just saying, "that's what everybody says but no-one seems to know why" |
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| They consistently over grade is all. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by mattness Im sure others can chime in on that, but here's why I think they are shit: - They got caught with their pants down colluding with a seller that trims his books for profit. Do some research and decide for yourself if that is true or not - Take 10 PGX books and send them to CBCS. You *might get one graded higher, but the rest will be grade drops (some severe), restoration, trimmed, etc. with PGX, you really dont know what you're getting. Its not better than buying raw. I see a PGX book as a "nicely protected book" in a slab, not a "graded" book. |
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| @mattness There's an archived thread on here somewhere I created a year ago with a bunch of reasons. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego That thread might have actually been about Vault now to think of it, but same reasons apply to both companies. |
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| PGX = Pretty Garbage Experiance | ||
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| You can decide from the word of others who have no reason to lead you astray. Or you can put your hand on a hot stove and find out for yourself if it hurts. Freedom, gotta love it. There is no reason that PGX, CGC or even CBCS can not grade a book accurately, because there is no accurate scientific method of doing so. Grading is the opinion of a single person or a small group of people who experience. But checking for trimming and restoration is based on science. That is where PGX loses me most. Plus, I just don't trust them to not do shenanigans for profit or favor. Too much to go into the evidence of that right here. But it is out there on the web, if you care to look for it. Maybe try searching "pgx scandal". That would be a good starting point. |
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mattness private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @shrewbeer- Ah see.. this is what I need actual facts. @DarthLego - Thanks Darth. I'll go hunt for the thread. @conditionfreak - Thanks I appreciate it. Looks like I got some homework  |
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| Just google "pgx scandal". You will have a days worth of reading to find the evidence you need. | ||
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| I'll save you the searching because it's not quite that easy to find this story with simple Google terms if you don't know what to look for. http://www.justafanboy.com/PGX/ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Yowzers..think I'll hang on to that link for posterity. |
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak Collectors that collect mostly slabbed books lose sight of the fact that slabbed books are a teeny, tiny part of the hobby The vast, overwhelming majority of the hobby consists of raw book collectors, sellers and dealers. Just go to any comic book show, any comic book store. What percentage of the inventory is slabbed? Where I live has three comic book stores Two of them have zero slabbed books. The one where the owner likes professionally graded and slabbed books he has 15,000 comics and maybe 100 slabs IDK if the hobby is expanding. But the overwhelming majority of collectors don't own a single slab. So what is happening is people hear and see slabbed books and then put their toes in the water. As for PGX, I will simply say that they are no where near as good as they should be - and no where near as bad as some make them out to be. I collect comic books - not plastic holders from a particular grading company. As such, I've purchased - and will continue to purchase - PGX books that are attractively priced, something I want and the seller takes returns (assuming I did not purchase in person) CGC has a few scandals of it's own. The trimming scandal, books that have gone from blue to purple and purple to blue. Newbies buying slabbed books would be well advised to stick with CBCS and CGC until they better understand what the various grades should look like. |
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