Value Restored vs Original for a Major Key?3628
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm considering buying a major key (9.8 value over $50,000) that has some disclosed color touch. Hypothetically if this book was a 9.8 with slight color touch, how much would it be worth compared to an all original? 5% of value? 10%? Thanks! | ||
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| If you can be specific about the book, I can see about doing some comparison for research. | ||
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim I have to keep the book anonymous for now to prevent a forum lurker from swiping it before me.  I have GPA (back again) and have done some research on there, but there are not many recent data points on restored versions of the book in question. |
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| I don't know how many forum lurkers have $50k laying around? | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well, let's say it's Amazing Fantasy 15. I can't find any in that high of a grade, but mid grade copies restored are going for about 25-30% of what an unrestored book in the same grade goes for. Some sources (other forums, so, opinions not hard numbers) are saying a restored key is worth 50% of the unrestored value. Personally, I'd be more conservative than that. But, if I was going to drop that kind of coin, it wouldn't be on a restored book. |
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50AE_DE private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So the book is a restored 9.8 with slight color touch. Is the restoration professional or amateur? | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| With few data points I would check multiple websites for comparables. In addition for GPA try the following: 1. Heritage Auctions - You have to set up a user ID and password which may involve giving them your e-mail address but can sign up for free. If you look at past auction results chances are they have sold several copies of the key in question in various grades. 2. Comic Link - You can brouse their current listings (fixed price and auction books) including recent sales for free 3. Comic Connect - You can brouse their current listings (fixed price and auction books) 4. Ebay - Check completed listings first, then try current listings 5. My Comic Shop - May not have your key in grade but you never know |
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks for the input so far, but to clarify a few things: @DarthLego The $50,000+ value would be for an unrestored copy in 9.8. I'm asking what would a restored copy be worth in that hypothetical grade. @00slim Thanks that info is helpful! @50AE_DE The color touch is supposedly professional @drchaos I'll look around a little more. Thanks |
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Deadpoolica private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Depending on the key as with everything but, considering the value it's a huge key...IMO restoration on a key that old in that grade doesn't hurt the value as much as it would lesser keys just because you're not going to be able to find it in that condition restored or or not. With that said maybe a 10-15% drop if that | ||
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D84 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Depends on the time period. As a general rule with slight color touch: Gold 30%-50% Silver 15-20% Anything else 5-10% |
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If the book isn't in a Cgc or cbcs holder I would advise to not purchase the book. The likelihood of additional restoration or shenanigans is high. If it is in a 9.8 grade restored holder paying more than good 2.0 unrestored is risky. | ||
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| @D84 So would a Hulk 181 graded 4.5 with slight pro color touch on cover sell for 5-10% of a graded 4.5 copy that has no color touch? How about a 4.5 Hulk 181 missing the MVS with no color touch versus a 4.5 with color touch but has the MVS? |
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Deadpoolica private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Hulk 181 isn't old enough for that to apply |
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
No risk, no reward!  I went ahead and bit the bullet.Fantastic Four #52 Experienced seller grades it is as a 9.6 OW/W and guarantees no trimming. The only reason I even considered it though... double autographed Stan Lee and Jack Kirby splash page obtained by the seller himself back in the day! He guaranteed the sigs in writing too (for Paypal dispute purposes). For the price I paid, I'd do ok if it comes back 9.6 restored even if it wasn't autographed. The autographs (if authentic) knock this deal over the top for me. As soon as I get it, it's going to CBCS for a red label via rapid so I should get it back very quickly. The goal is to get it back from grading within the 60 day Paypal protection window. As always I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks!    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Homer +1 |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Those signatures look legit to me. | ||
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Kellysuperheroes I order two books from those guys like 3 years ago, I instantly returned them for a full refund. Shenanigans at its highest level. | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Any chance of having the Restoration removed first? | ||
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Homer Really? What was the book and what problems did you have? I'd like to know your experience. Thanks |
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| photo adjusted pictures, massive over graded, tanning, yet flaws were not visible in scans. A professional comic book hustler. | ||
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| Same here with the k superheroes. Refund as soon my book got back from grading. He did pay up though so that's on your side | ||
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would give 99+ % that the seller is the one who did the color touching to a low to mid grade copy. | ||
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| Guaranteed a 9.8 for me also | ||
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Darkga private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hmmm, I haven't paid yet so I could still back out. But then I could go it for since I have Paypal/eBay on my side for 60 days. The biggest draw for me on the book is the Lee/Kirby sig. I sold a 1990's X-Men #1 reprint CGC 9.2 that was Lee/Kirby signed for $700 last year, and that is a dollar bin book. This is a hot key which has value unto itself even without the sigs. Tough decision...  |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Deadpoolica Really? So the resto vs non-resto only applies to Silver, Golden, and Platinum Age books? |
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Deadpoolica private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Yeah dude, u want zero resto on anything past silver...it KILLS the value |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Deadpoolica I know that. But I didn't think it would kill a Hulk 181 to the point of only being worth 5-10% of an unrestored book--especially one with slight pro color touch. | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Deadpoolica I mean would a cover less 181 sell for more than a complete copy with color touch on the cover? | ||
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spideyfan68 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Isn't it widely suspected that kellysuperheroes is really the scumbag known as Dan Dupcak, one of the great crooks in comics history? Just about every book he sold in the day was color touched and trimmed, overgraded by at least two grades. Used to go by Comic-Keys, then robojo33. I will say the signnatures look legit but I would be surprised if that book isnt trimmed and doesnt look quite as good once you get it hand. Photos of comics can be very decieving. If you paid by PayPal you're covered but proceed at your own risk. |
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by spideyfan68 I'll second this. |
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