CBCS Sales Value vs. CGC Sales Value | CBCS Comics

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Originally Posted by FForFake
My completely unscientific and random observations have indicated that CBCS books, with the exceptions of keys, have been selling for less than their CGC counterparts. My equally unscientific and random impression from seeing CBCS slabs in hand is that the grading is right on. I think any disparity in value is simply a matter of CBCS being so new. CGC has been around a long time now, and they have been considered the industry standard for sometime. It will take awhile for CBCS to get there. Therefore, my instinct is BUY CBCS BOOKS NOW! Wish I had a chunk of change to sink into them at the moment, instead of a few random books here and there.

That being said, I think that this forum is a HUGE step in the direction of making the CBCS more popular. CGC has built a community. This forum can help CBCS truly do the same. If people are talking, sharing, buying, selling and LIVING in the CBCS world on a daily basis, it will do a lot to build a community, and word of mouth for the brand.

All of this.

Leftover Sundae Gnus 30.01K	30.01K CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by VintageComics Quote: Originally Posted by Oxbladder Yup page two CaptainAmerica mentions it. You might have misread that. He mentioned that the CGC census is questionably accurate due to resubmissions. Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica What will be interesting to see is whether future census data between the two companies can be collected and correlated since grade bump resubmissions have prompted questions about the accuracy of census info for years. He wants to see if there is a correlation between CBCS and CGC census numbers. Sounds reasonable. Thanks; yeah, that's what I meant. By trying to phrase things too artfully I might've succeeded in being less clear. Right now, I'd assume all available census data is probably 80% accurate give or take 5%. It's likely some cracked out and resubmitted books (sans labels) have been counted twice (grade bump or not). Bad census data gives a false accounting of total books in the system while skewing high grade numbers. When CBCS sets up their own census system it may be entirely different than CGC, but going forward it might prove beneficial for grading services to keep a data base with scans of submitted books (say 6.0 and above). My thinking is geared more toward scarcer GA and SA titles and the impact on HG values. Most modern books are available in such numbers and high grades that it'd probably be too complicated for a grading service to accrue and store such data, not to mention less useful. Keep in mind that I'm not faulting any service or policy, it's just the way the census system evolved over the years. This is just for the sake of discussion.
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Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I think the CBCS holder is every bit as good as CGCs last holder type (not the newer one). I haven't seen or held a new CGC holder to really make an informed opinion.
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Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by zosocane Quote: Originally Posted by 1Cool And up until now CBCS slabs did not have a sales venue comparable to the CGC message boards so I felt it was limiting to get CBCS slabs. The launching of these CBCS boards was a big step in the growth of the company, and the eventual launch of a specific sales forum for raw and CBCS books will be the next big step for CBCS, as there will be a lot more traffic to the site and trusted buyers and collectors being able to buy and sell CBCS books to one another. This!
	8 years ago	Post 77 • IP flag post

Collector 28	28 Makeminemego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I think the two grading companies are pretty close with regards to grading. As a collector who buys mostly 3.5-6.0 SA books, I see just as many "head scratchers" from CGC as CBCS. I think CGC MIGHT put a little more emphasis on overall eye appeal, whereas CBCS tends to weight technically graded defects a little bit heavier (chipping, sub creases). CBCS has-only speaking from my experience-a more consistent, yet more liberally applied PQ standard. PQ has become a crapshoot with CGC, and even though I may not agree with every CBCS PQ rating I've seen, they've been consistent across the board. Just my opinions.
	8 years ago	Post 78 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 11.29K	11.29K conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by FForFake My completely unscientific and random observations have indicated that CBCS books, with the exceptions of keys, have been selling for less than their CGC counterparts. My equally unscientific and random impression from seeing CBCS slabs in hand is that the grading is right on. I think any disparity in value is simply a matter of CBCS being so new. CGC has been around a long time now, and they have been considered the industry standard for sometime. It will take awhile for CBCS to get there. Therefore, my instinct is BUY CBCS BOOKS NOW! Wish I had a chunk of change to sink into them at the moment, instead of a few random books here and there. That being said, I think that this forum is a HUGE step in the direction of making the CBCS more popular. CGC has built a community. This forum can help CBCS truly do the same. If people are talking, sharing, buying, selling and LIVING in the CBCS world on a daily basis, it will do a lot to build a community, and word of mouth for the brand. All of this.
	8 years ago	Post 79 • IP flag post

Collector 157	157 Beige private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	I have subbed books with CBCS and have nothing but praise for their service, turnaround times and slabs. Their grading appears to be the same 'standard' of CGC. I'm glad to see the market is appreciating CBCS as a genuine equal to CGC and demand for their slabbed books continues to grow. I would hope Steve and West's company gets the respect it deserves as it continues to grow.
	8 years ago	Post 80 • IP flag post

Collector 1.29K	1.29K Oxbladder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Did someone mention something about the CGC census and accuracy? Do not rely on the CGC census for determining scarcity. There is, or was, so many examples of crack, conserve, and resubmit out there that I think the census is as about as reliable on stats as Overstreet PG is on market prices.
	8 years ago	Post 81 • IP flag post

Collector 184	184 VintageComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Oxbladder Did someone mention something about the CGC census and accuracy? Nope. Did they?
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Collector 4.49K	4.49K MetalPSI private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I find that interesting as well. A Co census?
	8 years ago	Post 85 • IP flag post

Collector 645	645 zosocane private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I just bid on a CBCS book on HA and, while putting in the bid, my thought process considered that, with the launch of these new CBCS boards and the commentary from this thread that most seasoned collectors are of the view that CBCS generally gets it right, my confidence in the CBCS grade and the value of the book slabbed therein is now stronger than it was before these boards went live. This will take time to play out, but I think others will have a similar thought process, and that delta we're talking about will start to narrow -- again, over time.
	8 years ago	Post 87 • IP flag post

Collector 1.03K	1.03K Maverick private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Oldshady I also use gocollect on a regular basis and really like it. Ive never used GPA so i cant really compare the two but ive been very happy with gocollect.
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Collector 463	463 Owen_Lorder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	This made me laugh out loud
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Collector 218	218 Sqeggs private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Owen_Lorder This made me laugh out loud Well I guess it beats "Not CGC 9.8"
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Collector 886	886 Iago19 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Sqeggs Quote: Originally Posted by Owen_Lorder This made me laugh out loud Well I guess it beats "Not CGC 9.8" It's all over ebay, and It's annoying
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Iago19 Quote: Originally Posted by Sqeggs Quote: Originally Posted by Owen_Lorder This made me laugh out loud Well I guess it beats "Not CGC 9.8" It's all over ebay, and It's annoying You may not be looking at this the right way. From another perspective, the listing suggests that CBCS grades stricter than CGC. Folks have been known to argue just the opposite, so that provides a counterpoint. You know, as a glass half full kinda guy, that could easily be turned into good promotional advertising.
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Collector 58	58 gary_k private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Ive Found when its a key book it dont matter much , but when its a modern or a non-key they are tougher sells and lower sells. But i trust CBCS grading with my silver age keys and im not selling them so i really dont care. Plus im loving the $33/$35 15 day older book grading VS. the CGC $60 standard teir.
	8 years ago	Post 93 • IP flag post

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