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| It could pass. But my gut says otherwise. | ||
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| @b00ch the rules aren't etched in stone, it's whatever CBCS deems too offensive to put their label on it or subject their employees to it. | ||
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| @DarthLego The GWAR cover is less graphic than anything on Game of Thrones. It is in the style of GWAR and what their shows are about. I think it'll be okay is my guess. | ||
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| The subject matter is offensive, and if you can't understand why I don't know what else to say. | ||
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b00ch private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DarthLego What is "offensive" is different for all people and art is subjective. | ||
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| If it was Obama instead of Trump would you still feel it not offensive and only art? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by b00ch You wouldn't consider getting pissed on to be "hardcore"? Game of Thrones is a fictional fantasy series, can't compare the two. Regardless of your political view, depicting our President getting pissed on is pretty offensive. Honestly doesn't matter who is on the cover, I wouldn't want my kids to see that at my LCS. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Thanatos That's why they come in censored bags! Don't censor an art form for your own taste! For crying out loud people! |
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| I do not belong to any religion. But "art" that depicts Jesus in urine is despicable. "It's art" cannot be the response to anything and everything. Some things are just wrong. EVEN if YOU don't think so. It's called human decency. |
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| @DarthLego It makes no difference if it was Obama. See the thing about GWAR is that they put on a show. When you go to a GWAR concert you get covered in fake piss, blood, and spooge. It is all part of the act. They cut off heads and all sorts of funny outrageous skits. It is the shtick. @Thanatos The thing about it is GWAR doesn't use actual piss it is a colored fluid. So really the fluid only mimics piss same as the costume with 4 fake penises or any of their other costume. To say what is "hardcore" is difficult also. Is murder "hardcore" many would say yes, but everything from Shakespeare to NCIS deals with that subject matter. I would say getting fake pissed on is less hardcore or offensive than taking human life. How many iconic comic covers show the death of a character? Look at what happens to the audience at a GWAR show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKC2ZHZB3gI It is art. It is a show. It is for fun and entertainment. No one gets hurt, just wet. Basically don't take it seriously as it was never intended by the authors to be serious. |
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| We are not talking about censorship, we are talking about what is appropriate for CBCS to have their corporate name and logo associated with, and also what they deem appropriate to subject their employees to looking at while grading. What GWAR does at a concert has no bearing on the conversation, people who attended the concert have done so of their own free will. | ||
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| @conditionfreak It's art isn't the response to anything, but art must be free. Artists must have near full creative freedom. The art that shows jesus in urine is art regardless of what we think of it is art. We may not care for it and we will vote with our wallets and our free words. But, art must be free. No one was hurt with jesus in urine. | ||
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| @DarthLego This is true. It is a private company and they can say what they will and won't grade. They might go see the new transformers movie and be so disgusted by what Michael Bay did to those beloved characters that they ban Michael Bay signatures. You are totally correct. My argument is more on the nature of GWAR, the cover and why regardless of the person getting pissed on it there is a context to it which is why it isn't offensive as just a pres getting pissed on. |
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| Lot of great points in the thread. It is an interesting topic. | ||
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| No one gets hurt. Feelings don't count? Offensive material doesn't hurt anyone? OH REALLY! I wonder what President Trump's son thinks about that cover of someone pissing on his father. He could be a comic book collector and be on these boards. We don't know. I'm sure he is on the internet a lot. All youngsters are these days. It's called "class". Or lack thereof. Like DarthLego stated. Going to a concert is different than putting a picture on the internet, or a book. Or participating in the offensive gesture by grading, selling or promoting "it". There is a reason that CNN fired one of their New Years eve hosts, for offensive "art", and she can't get work any more. It is beyond the pale, (outside the bounds of acceptable behavior). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak No. Cnn fired Kathy Griffin because the image she made was clearly a call for action and promoted violence towards the president. My perception of this cover is that it makes fun of msm fake news. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini If that was true, GWAR would be pissing on a CNN logo. |
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| @conditionfreak If we worried about everyone's feelings we wouldn't have workable society. It is why hurt feelings aren't against the law. The kid is an adolescent and would probably find it hilarious as teens usually do. CNN fired Kathy because they have an image to uphold and she was hired as a rep. I would say what she did was art, but to me it was in poor taste. It could also be considered a threat against the pres. Really Kathy has been an idiot for decades now and CNN should have never hired her. She has a history of doing stupid stunts and claiming to be the victim. This is how a free society works though. The westboro baptist church can be super hatefull and that is perfectly legal, but at the same time society will shun them for their words and actions. Censorship only further legitimizes. A fake monster fake peeing on the pres is vastly different, though many might think it in poor taste it is in a different league. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego No. CNN is not the issue with the MSM. They are bad but they are not the root of the problem. |
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| As is stated above. K.G. (I refuse to use her name) was hired by CNN, with the full knowledge of her past and predisposition for sick and disgusting attacks. But, as I stated above. This was beyond the pail, even for them. Imagine. CNN not standing behind a form of art (K.G.'s description of her incident, not mine). I can't imagine any of my teenage sons laughing about a nationwide distributed picture of someone or something pissing on me. Nope. You are wrong about that notion, I am sure. We will just have to agree to disagree. |
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| @conditionfreak CNN knew she was a loose cannon. They were never going to stand behind her regardless of what the issue was. I remember what teenage kids laugh about on play grounds. Im sure my father never though I was laughing at some of the terrible jokes also. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by b00ch Ban the Michael Bay Signatures!!!!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Offensive or not, it is still covered by free speech, no matter what President is on the cover. To be fair, they should do one for each president since Washington. |
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| @D84 Free speech has zero bearing on the conversation now does it? The Bill of Rights is a check on the federal government so the government can't infringe upon the citizens. The First Amendment has zero bearing on the acceptance policy of a private company who grades comic books. CBCS is not a branch of government, therefore they are not required to care about the free speech of anyone. They are however expected to protect their employees from a potentially offensive work environment. | ||
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| I think what this comes down to does CBCS want to have images on a comic represent their company. If it was me I would NOT grade that Savage Dragon cover in a uncensored form and I wouldn't grade the GWAR cover because although taste is subjective, it is in bad taste in my opinion. CBCS when grading risque material I'm sure understands, could alienate some of their customer base if a large amount of their base find something offensive | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by D84 It actually comes down to ethics and has no free speech basis. |
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| Yes, the artist can put whatever they want on the cover. Yes, the distributor can distribute it. This is their right. The question is, will CBCS grade it? The answer we've received so far is: Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts So, the Savage Deagon cover is out. Now, does the GWAR cover depict nudity, or a "hardcore act"? Well, it's called the Golden Shower variant. On that basis, I'd say it falls under the "other hardcore act" category. Instinctively, I'd say if it was just the dude standing there naked, you'd be fine. As it is, we'll have to wait & see what CBCS' verdict is. |
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| @00slim I would add that GWAR uses colored water as pee so technically it isn't a real R. Kelly style golden shower. I have been "pissed on" at a GWAR show. It was fun btw. I would say it is more satire than hardcore. | ||
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| @b00ch Maybe so. But what is being depicted? A bucket of fake urine? No. He's peeing directly onto his head. It'll be interesting to see where the graders land on the issue. |
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@00slim They don't use buckets they shoot it out of the fake penises from the costumes. So what is being depicted is the character fake peeing from fake penises on Trump. He looks like he likes it  . I hope that the CBCS graders have laugh and grade it like any other comic. Mike Rooth did a great job on it. |
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