Question About 4 Mil Mylar2971
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| Also, 4 mil is not too thick when used properly. You have to either use half backs or size your bags one size up. When you actually know what you're doing they work fine. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by mattness Woah! Might as well put the book on a cinderblock and bag it up lol |
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Quote:Originally Posted by rickdod3 That is the idea, in a way. Protecting a spine is key when subbing books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Savage_Spawn No. For bronze/coppers/moderns, only use Standard M2's with Standard Full Backs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego This is not good advice. You are giving away the rigidity of a thicker, and wider, support system when you opt to use half back moderns in a atandard Mylite4. You are trading in the much more valuable benefit of keeping spine ticks away for a harder bag. You basically are creating a pressurized bag, which by nature, stresses a books' spine. |
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| @CopperAgeKids I did not realize that full backs are thicker than half backs. I thought the difference was about acid free on one side vs both sides. Not sure? | ||
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| I just looked it up. I did not realize how much more thicker the full backs are. Looks like about twice as thick. Hmmm! | ||
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| What type of damage do air pockets from not scoring flaps cause on the comic? I recently re-bagged / boarded 2 full short boxes using EGerber standard sized 2 Mil Bags with Full-Backs (and some leftover 4 mil's sprinkled in). Now I'm wondering if I should go back and score each flap. Before boxing the comics I definitely remember seeing some air pockets. Especially on the 4 mil's. But once I boxed the comics, the air pockets appeared to get "pressed out" by the slight pressure of the other comics in the box. I read that air pockets aren't good when shipping a comic, but couldn't find anything about comics that are in long-term storage. |
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| Here is a info directly from E. Gerber. The pictures for the HB and FB both show the recommended sizes from the company who sells them. I'm sure any questions can also be cleared up with a quick phone call, I've heard their customer service is excellent and I intend to order through them myself in the near future! Mylites4  HalfBacks  Fullbacks  |
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| @J_Walker I think you ahould be fine. Like you stated, once they were pressed together by the pressure of the other books in your short boxes, the air should move out. Me personally, I slide my hand across the book pushing the air up then I score the flap with my fingernail and tape it over on the back. That way I push the residual air out first. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by J_Walker Air pockets can eff your books up, when they are stored in even a short box, let alone a long box.Thibk about flipping thru a long box, than cinsider that in doing so, you're unecenly exerting close to 50 pounds of weight, onto the books at the opposite end of the box. Breaking the bolded down part, here you have it.... Air pockets + pressure = unevenly distributed force. That in itself, the "pressing" you described, is enough to cause spine ticks. I'd start with the first book in the box, pull one book out at a time.Take it out of the bag/board and then crease the flap. I suggest using scissors to cut the tape. While youre at it, use scotch gift tape, when you re-bag/board the books. What I do is use 5 pieces of scotch gift tape on the back of each flap. I lessen the grip of the tape by applying each piece to my thumb, and removing it...totaling 15 times.That way, the gift tape will pop off the Mylite2, without trouble. For long term storage of copper/moderns or when shipping/subbing them for grading, I double bag everything. A modern book is bagged and boarded with 3 full backs, and then a cheapo BCW silver, is slid in, as a final space buffer. I take that product, insert it into a pre-creased silver/gold mylite2 with a single full back.Then I add a cheapo golden age BCW board, as a buffer. I actually had a discussion like this on the CGC Forums, last year.I posted pics , of what my bagged/boarded end product looks like.I'll pull those images off my desktop later tonight or tomorrow, and post them here. Rinse and repeat. Don't start leafing through the box, |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips Yeah, you're right about pushing the air out but not the rest. You should be pre-creasing the Mylite2's with just the full backs.That is what makes for a solid glove like fit when you insert the book/full backs.Your method leaves a residual amount of slack, that is not present, when flaps are precreased without the substrate (book) inside. |
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| This all may sound super OCD/anal retentive as eff all, but I aim for getting the highest grade possible, when I sub books. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKidsActually I had some free time earlier today and rebagged my silver age X-Men. I used Standard size Mylite2's and half backs. They fit pretty firm in there but not too tight. I wonder if I would have problems with full backs which I do not own. That seems like it would make it almost too tight. I first smoothed the air out and creased the flap down. Then I use 2 removable price stickers reom Avery on the back. They pull of the Mylite nicely if I was to open it up later. |
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Awesome discussion and great advice!!!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips 2 small price stickers isn't enough to apply adequate pressure when sealing M2's. Half backs are for $5 mid grade books, they arent good for anything else, IMHO. SA books, like the books you pictured, should be in silver/gold mylite2's with 2 silver/gold full backs. Standard Mylite2's are too tight on SA books, half backs are too flimsy to provide adequate spine support. |
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| @CopperAgeKids Yes, but I have never heard of someone using 5 pieces of tape on the back flap. That seems a little overkill. | ||
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| I've seen the corners of half backs get bent up during shipping, even when packaged properly, so I'm all on board the Church of Fullbacks. When I re-bag I always use fullbacks and a bag one size larger to avoid being too tight. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips Overkill? I'll straight up bust a cap in a fool. Ya best watch yaself wif dat cuz I'm hardcore like a mug, dawg. Here's a few pics to show ya how Big Poppa C rolls dem books out, when I subz 'em. Boo yah, son.Dat's a tite set up. Eh, but seriously though...I take no chance with my books getting spine ticks....    |
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| Do all your books have 5 pieces of tape or just the ones your sending out? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Nyet, comrade. Tight is good. What I do, whenever I sub books, is to strip books out of my $5 and $10 convention boxes. I use those Mylite2's & Full Backs, to bag/board books that I have graded. I do this because the Mylite2's have stretched out/expanded a 'lil bit, from having boards and a book inside them. And the recycled full backs are equally important, those puppies are like gold  Brand new full backs don't have a broken in concave to them, concaves like that are ideal to cradle a spine...that's how you prevent spine ticks. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips All 'of em  |
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| I know this one LCS that runs packaging tape all the way across the back. I have to take a knife to the back to cut the tape to get the book out. If you pull on the tape, it stresses the book. I think I will get some full backs. I could always double up some half backs. I do that on the more expensive books. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips Yeah, that's no fun. I usually just cut the tape, whenever I buy raws off ebay...99% of dealers/sellers on ebay don't know how to package books. Btw, you're safer off taking a shary box cutter blade, along the top of the polybag, while the book lies on a flat surface.That's what I do, personally. |
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