CBCS vs CGC Regrade Results 1st Wave2927
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mattness private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Today I received the grades for my first set of 9.8 CGC slabs that I submitted to CBCS. None of these books were pressed. The grades are (4) 9.6's and (9) 9.8's The 9.6 Notes: tiny spine stress barely breaks color tiny piece missing top left corner back cover tiny spine wear some breaks color tiny tear top edge back cover tiny tear top edge back cover tiny spine stress barely breaks color light bend in logo small light bend bottom edge back cover small scuff top spine breaks color I have 8 more CGC 9.8's in que. They are awaiting pressing ETA is unknown. I feel really good to have cleansed my collection of CGC books. Am I bummed on the grade loss..yeah a little but they're still near mint and they're not for sale. They are for me.  |
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 4/13 misgraded isn't too bad. Shows how much stricter CBCS grades. | ||
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Grayspeedster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My wife and I are so happy with the obviously better choice we made to go with CBCS! | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is a fascinating post. And data supports what many of us have felt. Cgc is just a machine that churns volume. Cbcs takes the time to really inspect hard. Bravo post due to the data | ||
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Mio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| See my thread on consistency. 2 of 3 CBCS books graded down by CBCS. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| These were graded by CGC last year and graded by CBCS after the CGC slabs were determined to be terrible. Amazing Spider-Man #129, CGC 9.4 --> CBCS 9.4 Dark Knight Returns #1, CGC 9.6 --> CBCS 9.4 Crisis on Infinite Earths #7, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 Daredevil #181, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 Dark Knight III: Master Race #1 Miller variant, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 Darth Vader #1 Alex Ross variant, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 New Teen Titans #2, CGC 9.6 --> CBCS 9.8 Omega Men #3, CGC 9.6 --> CBCS 9.8 Spectacular Spider-Man #1, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.6 Spectacular Spider-Man #27, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.6 Transformers #1, CGC 9.6 --> CBCS 9.6 Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #47 Merrymac variant CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.6 X-Men #129, CGC 9.4 --> CBCS 9.4 Uncanny X-Men #211, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 Uncanny X-Men #222, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.8 Uncanny X-Men #256, CGC 9.8 --> CBCS 9.6 Some went up and some went down, but overall the grading is probably consistent between the two, at least at the time I tried this experiment. **edit** I don't think that the Teen Titans #2 should be a 9.8. I was thinking 9.6 or 9.4 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I'm now afraid to move the ones I have over to CBCS.....hehehe.... Do I really want my 9.6s becoming 9.4s, etc..... :o) |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There are times like these that I wish grading was done by some giant mathematical measuring device so that subjectivity was lessened | ||
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Drbearsec private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Sorry... saying this more because statements like this bother the academic in me... this is a very tiny sample size and doesn't really prove anything one way or the other. To really do an accurate study of this, we need 100's, preferably thousands of books that have been changed out... preferably over time and showing the same consistent results. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Drbearsec 13 is not statistically significant - agreed. 30 would be and I'm fine with data supporting the last 6 months (now) since now is all that matters for where I go for accurate grading. What happened 3 years ago or more is irrelevant as it pertains to the present time. But I agree another 17 would be better although I don't agree about thousands |
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Drbearsec private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 30 to me is still a small sample size. I'd say a min of 50 over 6 months to a year... I'd prefer a 100 to 200... The unfortunate bias here is that there is no consistency on WHEN the CGC books are graded. A true test would be to get 50 to 100 books graded by CGC... submit 10 a week for 5-10 weeks. Then submit to CBCS for regrade. Even better, do the same on the CBCS side... 10 a week to CBCS and then send to CGC for regrading. See how the comics changed between both groups. That to me gives the clearest indication of current grading standards. Now anyone want to kick in the $2000-3000 or so to test the hypothesis? |
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conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would venture to say that if you or I sent 30 CGC graded books back to be graded by CGC, OR, 30 CBCS graded books back to CBCS, the results would be similar to what has been posted here. Some up and some down. Which, if you think about it. Is consistency also. Grading is ballpark, IMO. Like an umpires call on a pitch. More often right than wrong, but easy to dispute if it doesn't go your way. The real question is: what difference does it make if your modern book is a 9.6 or a 9.8 |
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ok so let's add both of their data together and rerun the numbers for a better average | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak That's a really really really good point. 0.2 is like c'mon... who the heck can really tell. 0.2 is almost silly delta differential |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Also consider how easy it can be to introduce defects during the process of deslabbing. The current atmosphere of the collecting community places too much emphasis on seeking 9.8. The premiums being sought on these versus 9.6 is bordering on ludicrous these days. | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego You got that right! |
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Homer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You have to consider handling of the books getting slabbed, removing the books from the slab, shipping. Tiny bends and dings can absolutely lower the grade. So unless the books were freshly pressed, I could see some books going down in grade if you were to cross grade high grade books CGC / CBCS or vice a versa. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ive got a couple books Im currently trying to crossover to CBCS slabs. Obviously nobody wants to get a down grade. I did place a Minimum grade at the CGC grades. Ive got my fingers crossed that both can pass. I likely would not have wasted money trying to cross, but the CGC case on the ASM #50 had some scuffs and wear and I really want it in a new slab. I really want them both to be in matching slabs so I sent AMS #51 as well. I never seem to have much luck in these matters. My worst case scenario is that ASM #50(Scuffed case) does not pass and AMS #51(New Case) gets crossed. Then not only will I not have matching cases, But still end up with ASM #50 in a scuffed case. As for all the CGC vs CBCS stuff....... It's pretty pointless IMHO. Its really just comes down to personal preference of which slab you want to go with. Truthful all TPGing is corrupt at some level...... Meaning certain clientele(Big Dealers/Money people) get preferential treatment and grades. Here are the two books Im hoping to cross:   I can't figure out why the 2nd pic keeps posting horizontal Does CBCS ever update the invoice status that books were received? I sent these books on the 5-16. John (BigRedOne1944) |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @BigRedOne1944 You do realize that the book must be removed for grading right? If it fails the grade screen you set you're getting back a raw book. | ||
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Drbearsec private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak If you are selling it? The difference between 9.6 and 9.8 can potentially be quite a bit. If it is for your PC, then not as much until your heirs sell the comic... unless you are buried with it of course! |
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Drbearsec private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak You might be right. But having the actual numbers vs making an assumption on a smaller sample size is always going to be better. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego However that is the dictation of the current marketplace and it DOES matter in current value of the books on a financial level. It could change of course... but I mean look at even the rare books of the last 30-35 years... Take TMNT 1... The 9.8 sold for 24K while the 9.6 sold for 10-11K. Over double the value for those .2 points. It DOES make a difference right now. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego NO I did NOT realize that! That is not the way it works with TPGing sports Cards. They ONLY remove it after reviewing it and deeming it able to cross. Do you know this first hand? Anybody Else send in slabbed books that did not pass and get back raw books? |
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Drbearsec private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 That's correct. They remove the comic from the slab for pre-screening and if it doesn't hit your level, then they send it back non-slabbed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Not really sure it's in good taste to tell a company who's forum your on that they are corrupt. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think the 9.6/9.8 differential folks are mentioning was not a financial zing. Clearly there is major difference financially. It was (I believe) intended to knock on how silly different financially the two are for what essentially imperceptible and a graders bad day (9.6) or good day (9.8). It's all quite crazy when 0.2 is clearly not absolute |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Considering a trading card has only two sides it'd be far more reasonable to screen a card from the previous case. If a comic book is missing a page, for example, that is not something you could tell from inside a slab and would certainly affect the pre-screen. Basically the interior of the book is a substantial part of the grade and no one can reasonably pre-screen a comic by just looking at it through the slab. |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @BigRedOne1944 I might suggest adding pressing to your order. It will double the turnaround time & obviously cost extra, but it would decrease the possibility of a grade drop. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite I guess that's more than true. I just Email CBCS Customer service to request they Grade screen be removed for the invoice. I'll call first thing tomorrow as well. Hopefully their customer service is all everyone has claimed. Thanks Guys |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My first wave of CGC regrades just shipped. Book 1: Blue Label CGC 9.4 ... CBCS 9.4 Book 2: Blue Label CGC 9.6 ... CBCS 9.6 Book 3: Yellow label 3 sigs, 2 with remark sketches CGC 9.8 ... CBCS 9.8 WOOT WOOT!!! P.S. No pressing was done. |
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