Holo stickers -do they affect grade?2840
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| I have some old Wizard 1/2 issues that come with holo stickers applied by the publisher - all the issues will have them just in different spots. I was thinking about sending some for grading/signature verification (for$10 Wizard would send you the book signed by say Chuck Dixon for Nightwing 1/2 etc etc.) Just wondering if how or if the stickers affect the grade. | ||
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BigRig private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Almost positive you can only get an 8.5 with the stickers. Anyone else correct me if im wrong. | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
I was told the highest start grade with a sticker is 8.5. Here is the result of mine: |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Seems kind of stupid - it's not like you can even get the books without the sticker | ||
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| You can have an expert remove the sticker | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| But wouldn't that then be some sort of chemical cleaning involved to remove the adhesive to then get you a restored grade? | ||
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OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I am sure there are books out there without the stickers. Some may have been missed during production, someone could have snagged one before the stickers were applied. |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Most stickers can be slowly and carefully removed using the heat from a hairdryer. But I personally wouldn't try it on an expensive comic myself. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I know I've seen Wolverine 102.5 without stickers but that might be the unsigned copies that are stickerless. | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The books with the Holo stickers should get an A for Awesome. | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't like the policy on these. I think if the book is in the exact condition the publisher intended and shipped it to the customer then it should not be counted as a defect. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I agree! In fact, I think it should count against the book if the sticker is not present. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Same method they use to remove tape. Wouldn't be considered restoration. Hero Restoration will charge you $50. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Which is exactly how they treat those pull off stickers that hide the digital copy codes now. If that sticker is pulled the book can't go past 9.6 |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 I would tend to disagree. Any tape, stickers, etc. that are added to the comic should be included among its defects IMHO. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos IF these books exist without stickers (unrestored, not a removed sticker), the stickers must count against grade. CBCS would look ridiculous if there were two 9.8s side by side one with and one without. If there are zero books in existence without the sticker, then yes its crazy to count it against the grade. The chances of that are pretty slim though, there has to be copies that made it through life without; however rare they may be (file copies etc). |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would view the holo stickers as an intentional variant. Therefore yes, you can have both with and without as a 9.8. If something is publisher intentional how can it be a defect? | ||
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If a book is produced with a sticker, it does not count against the grade. If the sticker was attached in the aftermarket to a portion of the print run, to create a "manufactured collectible," it does count against the grade. | ||
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OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Without the digital code sticker, the book is technically incomplete since the person buying the book may be denied the rights to the digital code. Another way to look at it, when it comes to digital codes, is the book is now missing pages that you paid for. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics I agree with that. In fact, the justification (or one of them) By Marvel Comics for $3.99 instead of $2.99 is that digital code sticker. If you're buy a book even a cover price that does not have that intact then you're in fact paying for something not included in the book |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics I completely agree. I was not disputing the digital code sticker policy, simply describing it as a contrast to the original topic. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Just wondering how this would apply to say the Wizard 1/2 issues. These issues as far as I know were mail order only and I am assuming the whole run would have the sticker attached to the cover. Would this be considered attached aftermarket but to the whole print run? - would this then not count against the grade? |
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics In the case of Wizard 1/2's, stickers were applied to copies that were signed in limited numbers. The books were not originally manufactured with these stickers, therefore they affect the grade. I believe there may be a few of them that all of the copies were produced with holograms. In those cases the sticker would not affect the grade. |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I agree 100%. If the sticker is applied in a controlled setting like the Wizard holo stickers were back in 1996, I don't think they should count against the grade. If John Doe off the street slapped a sticker on a comic, then yeah, it should count off. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think if I was facing a situation where a book that is 9.8 is going to be given an 8.5 I'd just as soon put it inside a Comic Skin slab. The 8.5 would cause it to have a lower FMV than it deserves. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was considering getting some of my old Wizard 1/2's graded but other than maybe having the sticker removed (someone said Hero restoration can do that) I will probably just not bother. | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego My mistake was that I inquired about it after I submitted the book. If I had known prior, I would have never sent it in because I don't think the 8.0 accurately reflects the grade. Now I have a grading fee, shipping, and a verified signature fee tied up in the book, and I don't agree with the grade that is reflected on the label. Oh well. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I bet CGC has the same policy, but you could probably get a green qualified grade that reflects the actual quality of the book. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Oh yeah - I just thought this would be different than say a bus stop sticker because this is applied by the publisher (albeit to a subset of the production) rather than say a corner store etc slapping a price sticker on like they did in the 60's etc. | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
One would think, but then again one might also think flashbacks count as appearances.  |
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