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The problem with Ramos and his ilk (like Joe Mad, worst X-Men artist ever) is that all the other wanna-be artists jumped on the psuedo-Manga bandwagon and helped ruin good books. This in turn allowed titles like this became popular. I think this artist could possibly be worse than Ramos.




I agree. That art is the primary reason I never tried that book.


I love Chew and I think the art fits the book fantastically.

I don't find this really all that bad as this is the way these characters were introduced and have always been drawn. The artist didn't take a recognized character and turn it into some type of Tim Burton pseudo-nightmare.
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The problem with Ramos and his ilk (like Joe Mad, worst X-Men artist ever) is that all the other wanna-be artists jumped on the psuedo-Manga bandwagon and helped ruin good books. This in turn allowed titles like this became popular. I think this artist could possibly be worse than Ramos.




I agree. That art is the primary reason I never tried that book.


I love Chew and I think the art fits the book fantastically.

I don't find this really all that bad as this is the way these characters were introduced and have always been drawn. The artist didn't take a recognized character and turn it into some type of Tim Burton pseudo-nightmare.


Yup, I agree. Just like I said a few days ago, if Ramos had never drawn DC/Marvel/established characters and stuck to his Indy stuff like Crimson, I wouldn't hate him as much. (Although he did ruin DV8 for me).

And if you get a chance, check out the interior art of Chew, the artist definitely sucks monkey balls.
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The problem with Ramos and his ilk (like Joe Mad, worst X-Men artist ever) is that all the other wanna-be artists jumped on the psuedo-Manga bandwagon and helped ruin good books. This in turn allowed titles like this became popular. I think this artist could possibly be worse than Ramos.




I agree. That art is the primary reason I never tried that book.


I love Chew and I think the art fits the book fantastically.


Must be something wrong with your eyes. We already know there's something wrong with your ears LOL.
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I don't care for Vicente Cifuentes' art. I'm sure he's a nice person, just not my cup of tea. Be glad when he's off Aquaman.
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One of the worst working today is Humberto Ramos. His art is just terrible, what is it, Mexican manga? I can't believe he drew ASM for all those years.







I only own 2 books with his work; one is just on the cover (Age of Apocalypse #4- a gift from my grandson) and the other was an impulse buy while he was signing the 1st book(ASM #694). I actually like both covers, but I looked inside the ASM later after the convention and quickly closed it. I've pretty much ignored his work since, so now I understand your dislike after seeing your posts.

Here's the two I do like. Almost seems like a different artist.



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Great stuff if you're into cartoon-looking super heroes.
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Yeah, this type of art just doesn't do it for me.


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the hulk book really doesn't look like Ramos at all. Now I did see another name under his which was Delgado and was not familiar with him, maybe the colorist?
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the hulk book really doesn't look like Ramos at all. Now I did see another name under his which was Delgado and was not familiar with him, maybe the colorist?


Yes, Delgado is the colorist. I just checked GCD and froze for a second as it credits this cover (#4 has 2 covers) as being drawn by RODNEY Ramos. I started wondering, "why the hell did he sign my book if he didn't draw it?", but remembered he actually had the cover art with him at his table (priced at $8,000 iirc). And the sigs on both AoA & ASM are the same.
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I find it quite amusing how Manga/Anime failed miserably in the States. I remember back in 2001 how all this Manga crap started being pushed. Even Marvel had that hysterical Manga line of books (what utter dreck that was)that looked like azz!

Borders and B&N carried HEAPS of this dung, and predictably it all failed. It was never a style, nor cultural option for American comic book collectors/readers. Yes, a younger generation was perhaps brainwashed into accepting this stuff, and being bombarded with this asian "influence" Alas, it ended up where I knew it always would, and deserved to be...the trash!

Look at the state of Manga now in this country, and the litany of companies (Tokyo pop and such) and went broke. Its comical looking back at it all.
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This cracks me up. Looks like an alien humanoid wearing a Spider-Man costume


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The problem with Ramos and his ilk (like Joe Mad, worst X-Men artist ever) is that all the other wanna-be artists jumped on the psuedo-Manga bandwagon and helped ruin good books. This in turn allowed titles like this became popular. I think this artist could possibly be worse than Ramos.




I agree. That art is the primary reason I never tried that book.


I love Chew and I think the art fits the book fantastically.

I don't find this really all that bad as this is the way these characters were introduced and have always been drawn. The artist didn't take a recognized character and turn it into some type of Tim Burton pseudo-nightmare.


Just wait until Marvel thinks it's a good idea to hire Guillory to draw Avengers or X-Men
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The problem with Ramos and his ilk (like Joe Mad, worst X-Men artist ever) is that all the other wanna-be artists jumped on the psuedo-Manga bandwagon and helped ruin good books. This in turn allowed titles like this became popular. I think this artist could possibly be worse than Ramos.




I agree. That art is the primary reason I never tried that book.


I love Chew and I think the art fits the book fantastically.

I don't find this really all that bad as this is the way these characters were introduced and have always been drawn. The artist didn't take a recognized character and turn it into some type of Tim Burton pseudo-nightmare.


Just wait until Marvel thinks it's a good idea to hire Guillory to draw Avengers or X-Men

I haven't read a new one in years, so they can knock themselves out.
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I guess I have a different look at this and think that "Terrible artists" is the wrong name for this thread. I think it would be better titled "Artists I do not like" because they can all draw better than I can.

IMHO, these artists deserve credit were credit is due. Many people like their art and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I have great friends that do not like the same artists that I do and I have great friends that like artists that i do not. It all comes down to our personal tastes.
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I guess I have a different look at this and think that "Terrible artists" is the wrong name for this thread. I think it would be better titled "Artists I do not like" because they can all draw better than I can.


Just because they can draw better than you or me doesn't mean a thing.

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IMHO, these artists deserve credit were credit is due. Many people like their art and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


My opinion is that they are terrible.

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I have great friends that do not like the same artists that I do and I have great friends that like artists that i do not. It all comes down to our personal tastes.


So there has never been a terrible artist in the history of comic books?
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One of the worst working today is Humberto Ramos. His art is just terrible, what is it, Mexican manga? I can't believe he drew ASM for all those years.





In the Comic Link spring auction, the cover for SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #6 is currently at $851.00. Ramos has a following in the OA world.

What I find amusing is that people are complaining that this artist or that artist isn't drawing a superhero character lifelike enough . We are posting in a comic book forum and writing about fictional characters that can climb walls like a spider, or fly. Do you really expect reality to be a requirement?
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I guess I have a different look at this and think that "Terrible artists" is the wrong name for this thread. I think it would be better titled "Artists I do not like" because they can all draw better than I can.


Just because they can draw better than you or me doesn't mean a thing.

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IMHO, these artists deserve credit were credit is due. Many people like their art and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


My opinion is that they are terrible.

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I have great friends that do not like the same artists that I do and I have great friends that like artists that i do not. It all comes down to our personal tastes.


So there has never been a terrible artist in the history of comic books?
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I guess I have a different look at this and think that "Terrible artists" is the wrong name for this thread. I think it would be better titled "Artists I do not like" because they can all draw better than I can.


Just because they can draw better than you or me doesn't mean a thing.

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IMHO, these artists deserve credit were credit is due. Many people like their art and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


My opinion is that they are terrible.

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I have great friends that do not like the same artists that I do and I have great friends that like artists that i do not. It all comes down to our personal tastes.


So there has never been a terrible artist in the history of comic books?


HTML is hard.
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I believe it does.

These people have talent, but not all may appreciate them.

To each his own. This goes for movies, books, TV, and other mediums as well.

Respect is important.
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I believe it does.

These people have talent, but not all may appreciate them.

To each his own. This goes for movies, books, TV, and other mediums as well.

Respect is important.


Respeck!

Name one artist who is terrible.
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I believe it does.

These people have talent, but not all may appreciate them.

To each his own. This goes for movies, books, TV, and other mediums as well.

Respect is important.


Respeck!

Name one artist who is terrible.


I do not believe any artist is "terrible". There are artist I like much better than others, but respect what they do.
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I believe it does.

These people have talent, but not all may appreciate them.

To each his own. This goes for movies, books, TV, and other mediums as well.

Respect is important.


Respeck!

Name one artist who is terrible.


I do not believe any artist is "terrible". Their are artist I like much better than others, but respect what they do.


If you don't think there's ever been a crappy artist in the history of comics, then you give people no reason to respect your opinion. It shouldn't be given any weight, at least.

Now let's all hold hands and listen to a 47 minute version of "Kumbaya" as preformed by The Greatful Dead.
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Please stop trolling me Steve.
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Please stop trolling me Steve.


That's funny....
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Please stop trolling me Steve.


That's funny....


lol
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I can only speak for myself, but I despise Frank Quitely's style.

I stopped reading X-Men (vol.2) when he took over with the "New X-Men" at #114. After a few issues of really disturbing visuals and way too many wrinkles on every character I walked away from a series I had almost every issue of at the time.

I know he's a successful artist, but personally its some of the least aesthetically pleasing art I've ever seen.
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I can only speak for myself, but I despise Frank Quitely's style.

I stopped reading X-Men (vol.2) when he took over with the "New X-Men" at #114. After a few issues of really disturbing visuals and way too many wrinkles on every character I walked away from a series I had almost every issue of at the time.

I know he's a successful artist, but personally its some of the least aesthetically pleasing art I've ever seen.

I agree completely.
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Sorry but there are terrible artists. Just because some people like them does not mean they are not terrible. Some people adore the Piss Christ in the museum of modern art.
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And yeah on Quietley and his enormous jaws.
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Love Ramos. I own the art for these 3.








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