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Adam Hughes refuses to work with CBCS2799

COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
I'm willing to bet the manager just told Adam what was what, when what wasn't even what what was.
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Collector DavidSebs14 private msg quote post Address this user
The "Manager" is his wife Allison Sohn, a great creator/artist in her own right. I think they got mad at the pricing as they re-iterated multiple times on Adams fan page this week that Autos are free for the first 5 then $5 each. and Head Sketches are $40..they prob didnt like someone making money off of them without their input. I've met them both and they are reasonable people and mainly do it for the fans, but now their hand is forced to do it with a company etc.
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Collector DavidSebs14 private msg quote post Address this user
Does this mean that AW's can't witness Adam? or that there is no CBCS signing?
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Collector DarthKribs private msg quote post Address this user
No AW for Adam. He is exclusively with cgc
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
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Sounds like another whiny artist. Palmiotti pulled a whinefest for Amanda Connor a few years ago when she did a freebie sketch and the collector turned around and sold it.

Poor little Adam got his feeling all hurt. Boo hoo.



So THAT'S why she won't do sketches. Ever.

LOL

I'm sorry but that is our right to sell it or not at any time. Is there a statute of limitations on duration of ownership on a free sketch? Please.
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
So someone correct me if I'm wrong. Trinity comics was setting up a signing they were going to charge xx.xx dollars for the signing Adam seems to be like no my signature is this amount and because the Trinity books were going to be for CBCS yellows that's why Allison said no signing for CBCS? So was CBCS even involved with any negotiations at all or is this a third party company who jumped the gun that got CBCS lumped in with them? I think I see where Adam is going from he wants fans to get his signature maybe he's not cool with a third party company making money in the process? Again I am interested in what happened maybe CBCS could make an official statement to clear up the misinformation.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Matt told me he ultimately decided to stay away from the drama at Megacon
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
I've yet to see anything that shows CBCS was ever even involved in this mess.
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COLLECTOR JLS_Comics private msg quote post Address this user
It's $40 unwitnessed and he's charging $80 witnessed.
I'd say go the unwitnessed route and then sub to CBCS for VSP
... problem solved
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Sounds like another whiny artist. Palmiotti pulled a whinefest for Amanda Connor a few years ago when she did a freebie sketch and the collector turned around and sold it.

Poor little Adam got his feeling all hurt. Boo hoo.



So THAT'S why she won't do sketches. Ever.

LOL

I'm sorry but that is our right to sell it or not at any time. Is there a statute of limitations on duration of ownership on a free sketch? Please.


Like my LCS the easiest cure to resale, if they are concerned about that, just PERSONALIZE it.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Oxbladder
Sounds like another whiny artist. Palmiotti pulled a whinefest for Amanda Connor a few years ago when she did a freebie sketch and the collector turned around and sold it.

Poor little Adam got his feeling all hurt. Boo hoo.



So THAT'S why she won't do sketches. Ever.

LOL

I'm sorry but that is our right to sell it or not at any time. Is there a statute of limitations on duration of ownership on a free sketch? Please.


we probably don't have the full story such as what the collector told amanda (i.e. i am your biggest fan - it will be for my private collection - i will cherish it to my death etc and then next day putting it on ebay)
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Collector DavidSebs14 private msg quote post Address this user
As for what Trinity was advertising, they did nothing wrong as its the business they are in to provide signatures for people who can't get to a convention. Just over re-action I think as most of the creators don't really know WHO or WHERE the books they sign end up.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
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It's $40 unwitnessed and he's charging $80 witnessed.
I'd say go the unwitnessed route and then sub to CBCS for VSP
... problem solved

Amen brother.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
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... I think as most of the creators don't really know WHO or WHERE the books they sign end up.

Yep, and they should not care where other people's property ends up. The whole surcharge for having a witness trend makes me sick.
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Collector Oxbladder private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Oxbladder
Sounds like another whiny artist. Palmiotti pulled a whinefest for Amanda Connor a few years ago when she did a freebie sketch and the collector turned around and sold it.

Poor little Adam got his feeling all hurt. Boo hoo.



So THAT'S why she won't do sketches. Ever.

LOL

I'm sorry but that is our right to sell it or not at any time. Is there a statute of limitations on duration of ownership on a free sketch? Please.


we probably don't have the full story such as what the collector told amanda (i.e. i am your biggest fan - it will be for my private collection - i will cherish it to my death etc and then next day putting it on ebay)


Palmiotti went into pretty fine detail except what was said. Needless to say part of the tirade mentioned that Amanda was worried about and didn't like such things but the guy seemed like a collector and not a flipper and so she did a sketch. Not that much later they found that sketch up for auction. Thus the tirade. Again, either don't do or if you do do them and don't want them sold just personalize them. Even they should know personalized signatures and sketches are a hard sell.

The simple solution though is either charge for sketches or simply don't do them. Either way you are covered.
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Collector DavidSebs14 private msg quote post Address this user
It's kinda like regifting...it's not illegal. but the person who gave you the gift may feel some sort of mad about it, if they find out lol. One of my buddies a few years back needed a computer and monitor so I took some of my old stuff and built him one, a month later I asked about it and he bragged how he made some good cash on craigslist about it. I couldn't hate the guy for it but just never gave anything away ever since as it was a favor I did for him. But these are professional artists etc so that stuff comes with the territory for them, they need to suck it up!
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"Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha... JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user
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It's $40 unwitnessed and he's charging $80 witnessed.
I'd say go the unwitnessed route and then sub to CBCS for VSP
... problem solved


problem is: you can vsp for the sig but not the art.

and i am really disappointed by this news. i got many of adam's sketches and they are all graded for my personal collection. the only one i have ever sold with adam's sig was a 9.6 book because i wanted a 9.8 and i got a 9.8. not everyone is selling books because they are graded.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
If the SIG is VSP any potential buyer is going to trust the art is also authentic, especially since almost all artists have uniquely identifiable art styles and can be equally recognized. And if someone actually has the skills to replicate an art style believably, they'd not be wasting their time forging art onto signed blanks, they be out doing their own art.
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If the SIG is VSP any potential buyer is going to trust the art is also authentic, especially since almost all artists have uniquely identifiable art styles and can be equally recognized. And if someone actually has the skills to replicate an art style believably, they'd not be wasting their time forging art onto signed blanks, they be out doing their own art.


its not even remotely what i said but ok. cheers

and to add to what his wife "siding" with CGC, one of their clauses to be a witness is that: you can not witness for any other grading companies if you are affiliated with cgc. Desert Wind Comics was in this mess.

all they are doing is alienate the fans that actually have their stuff graded like me for personal use instead of profiting from it.
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Collector BLBcomics private msg quote post Address this user
I don't get comic books signed. I have a comics memory book for that aspect of meet & greet in the comics world. To me this whole "witness" thing on a funny book cover is silly how so many have gotten caught up in such a web net.

This way, also, the comics creator KNOWS your interest in a piece of him/her is real - no resale concept at all










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Leftover Sundae Gnus CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
In my informed opinion as an artist, collector and dealer the witnessing game is pretty much indefensible. I'm speaking to certification by witnesses, not verification by authenticators.

From the outset, the concept of a signature witnessing service has been controversial. Whether by accident or design these programs created an upscale market. But now that sketch art has become such a competitive marketing tool the practice seems more akin to an ethical albatross hanging around the necks of everyone involved.

Artist sketch "witness protection programs" have often been described as money grabs primarily benefiting the sponsoring grading company and participating artists. Whether true or not, it has the appearance of manipulation. In spite of that, fans seem happy to consume these events like cotton-candy into a diabetic coma, never questioning a process that's little more than spun sugar and air.

In this climate it isn't surprising that a bigger fish grading company ...fill in the blank... would try to shut down competition through exclusivity agreements with artists at the same time as refusing to allow witnesses who've worked for a competing grading company to participate.

Exclusivity is nothing new ...Walmart and Target sponsor exclusive products all the time to get folks in the door..., but product promotions have a limited shelf life. Monopolizing signing events isn't the same thing as product marketing. Limiting access and pressuring artists and conventions to take sides in corporate competition isn't ethical.

Shills and unscrupulous dealers who resell sketches and signed books for enormous profit have undoubtably contributed to distrust among professional artists and the collecting community at large, but even those who profit greatly from gaming the system will eventually become victims of the practice if fans start to feel like the system is rigged against them.

Essentially, grading companies run the risk of becoming superfluous middle-men if their business model is cut-throat marketing. It's not unlike scalpers who buy up large quantities of tickets and charge double or triple prices to devoted fans for lousy seats at "sold-out" concert performances.

But that's not the most egregious aspect of monopolization. When overzealous competition has the potential to turn high demand, well respected artists into pawns in a throne game, they become contract workers held hostage to that grading company's interests.

Of course, any opinion, informed or otherwise, is just that, a viewpoint, & mileage will vary. To make any debatable POV go down a little easier, I recommend this:
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Collector jrs private msg quote post Address this user
@CatmanAmerica, well said.
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COLLECTOR JLS_Comics private msg quote post Address this user
I like that book BLb!
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