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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain We're not gonna start playing this game are we? Doesn't matter if it's from the bible, Quran or a pamphlet. Hate speech is hate speech. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wolverine Not playing a game. Just correcting you. I totally agree that it's hate speech, and I'm firmly against it. As far I know, Colossus has been portrayed as an atheist and Christian, so why would he be wearing a shirt with a verse from the Quran? It's obvious the artist was sending a message of hate. But the hate was not race related. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc are all ideologies--not races. Anyone of any race can follow any of these ideologies. As a follow of Christ myself, I was angry about the page, but knowing that Marvel is slanted to the left, I have come to expect such garbage coming from them. I'm no snowflake. I won't melt. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by WolverineSorry about the delay in answering you. Just a busy day at church and birthday parties. I would say it is the way he went about it that bothers me. He is using a private company to express his political/religious beliefs to the public who are buying the product but may not have the same beliefs.They are also purchasing it without the knowledge of his agenda. What he should do is put a sign out in front of his own house on his own property. This way it is all on him. I have a neighbor about half a mile away that really loves to express his hatred on the world. He puts large signs nailed to his tree which is right next to a busy side street. The one I saw yesterday said" Muslim free zone" I feel it is wrong but at least it is on his own property.Usually there are complaints to the township hall and they are usually taken down within a day or so. He has also had nasty ones about Hillary Clinton, Obama and other anti Muslim ones. They do offend me and I have come close to calling the township too. But at least I am not buying it. Except for the huge amount of money that I pay in city taxes. What an A-Hole  |
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Every tree on private property in America should have an anti Hillary sign.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Dude escapism is loaded with politics and religion. Good vs evil, west v east, etc. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain I would like to point out that along with the ideology part it should be noted that there is plenty of hate in the other monotheist religions and not just Islam. Heck you don't even have to involve religion or race to have the hate. I wouldn't hold much of the editorial staff or Marvel to blame as I doubt many there would know a Qu'ran quote if it walked up and smacked them in the face. I would assume most people in this thread would have been any the wiser. I agree that it is an inappropriate thing to do and that Syaf and his editors should be dealt with harshly. |
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| @Despain Yes I guess you have a valid point. I just read it what you said in the wrong context. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oxbladder Yeah will be interesting to see what happens to him. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wolverine Luckily he will only loose his job. Had the tables been turned the other way, he'd risk loosing his head. Funny how the left doesn't seem to grasp that irony. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Oxbladder Yet no other religion is trying to carry out a Caliphate in the entire world, eliminate all other forms of government except Sharia--the type of government their "prophet" wanted the whole world to follow. That isn't radical Islam. It's Fundmental Islam. And anyone who doesn't know this doesn't follow the Quran or the Hadith or just chooses to ignore those verses/passages. I believe in separation between Church and State. Anyone who can practice his/her religion peacefully and personally is good, but no belief should be forced on anyone. It's a personal choice. |
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| I cannot believe what I'm researching when I dig deeper into the Middle East conflict. It's all too much | ||
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| The neighbors " Muslim free zone" sign was removed. Nice. I guess my tax dollars are good for something. | ||
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| Why is that nice? It's his property and his speech. "Muslim Free Zone" is not hate, it's a statement of fact about that man's property. That SIG offends people? So what? Be offended, it doesn't hurt you to be offended. I'm offended by "Gun Free Zones." | ||
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| The situation is starting to be picked up by the mainstream media. The New York Post, Time, the Hollywood Reporter, and the Jakarta Post have ran articles on the situation. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Islam is not trying to create a Caliphate throughout the world, a small handful of radicals are. Muslims do not deserve to be lumped in with a bunch of loons no more than Christianity deserves to be lumped in with neo-nazis or the klan. No religion is exempt from their fair share of nutjobs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Well, all I would say is that it depends on your POV. There are a number of Islamic states that are not imposing Sharia laws or looking to press out Christian, Jewish, etc. beliefs or non-Islamic states. While both the US and Canadian governments are supposed to be secular they both still are fundamentally based upon the Christian ideology and that ideology permeates well into the laws the government creates and the actions they take. Division of church and state is a great thing to aspire to but, I think it is not completely obtainable. Looking at the Western history it should be fairly clear to anyone that religion has played a huge role in what the state has done and there have been a great deal of the West imposing their beliefs upon independent states and committing great a great deal of atrocities. Again, I must be clear here. I do not condone what Syaf did nor do I condone any state or religion imposing their will upon others. That being said we cannot ignore either that Christianity and other religions have a number of very bad things preached in them. You get that when you subscribe to one way of thinking. Why else do you think we try and divide church and state  |
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| It's not a handful of radicals. The IRA was a handful of radicals. If you think Islamic Fundamentalism is only a "handful" you have been ignoring world events for the last two decades. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLegoWell it is an eyesore for one thing. These signs are on large piece of plywood that is done with a paintbrush. He is also stereotyping a type of religion. Not all Muslims are radical ISIS members. I had some Muslim co-workers that were real nice and family men that were working hard to provide for their families. I respect them more than this White trash radical. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego The IRA had a bigger army than Al Queda and ISIL currently do. The IRA numbered nearly 30,000 during "The Troubles" fighting on an island roughly the size of Illinois. ISIL is estimated between 9000 to 18000 per US intelligence fighting in an area three times the size of Texas. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics That's a false equivalency. I doubt CBCS is going to be willing to have an in-depth discussion as to why. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics The word is "ISIS." Despite the BEST efforts of the former president and others in Washington, no one refers to it as "ISIL." I know it's super trendy and "go team!" to do so, but it didn't work. And the IRA was only concerned with getting the British off the island, not establishing an Irish caliphate throughout the world. Although...Guinness for all doesn't sound too bad...but no, it's another false equivalency. |
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| Let's just stick Syafs stupidity and not get into a politics/religious debate. It can't end well. | ||
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| By the way...the whole "it's hate speech and shouldn't be tolerated" comments...? Is it hate speech? Who knows? Who decides what is, and what is not, "hate"? Almost universally, the people in power. I get called vile names...I've been called vile names by some of you under your breath, and some not so under...because I have the nerve to disagree with people. Would my "speech" be curtailed, and have there been many calls for me to be banned, for various reasons, in various places...? Absolutely. When pressed to find actual examples of "rule breaking", it's never found. People are merely offended that someone speaks confidently and challenges their notions...right, wrong, or indifferent; it's merely the challenge that they find so desperately offensive. But here's the difference: I would never, and have never, advocated for people to be banned (that is, silenced), regardless of what they've said to or about me. But this isn't about me...it's about "what is hate speech"? Frankly, such a term should be actively countered, at every level, by everyone. Here's reality: if you advocate for shutting down someone...anyone...because you disagree with what they're saying...eventually, someone is going to come along and shut YOU down, and use the exact same reasoning...AND have precedent justifying them. No the very phrase "hate speech" should be classified as hate speech, and nothing else. So long as this guy has the right to say things I detest...I can have the right to say things he detests. Once you start banning this, and banning that, and calling for people to be silenced...you will find it a very slippery road you're going down. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego It is "nice" that the sign was removed because the sign did not promote decent behavior. It may not be flat out hate speech, but those sort of signs certainly lend themselves to bigotry. "Gun free zone" is not remotely comparable to the underlying sentiment that a "Muslim free zone" represents. A actual comparison would be a sign thst declared "Catholic free zone".Or insert Jew, Christian in place of Catholic or Muslim. A "Muslim Free Zone" is a blanket statement against Muslims, which is woefully ignorant. Ignorance and racism go hand in hand. . . |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids So? If I protect the right of someone to say something I detest, others will protect the right of me to say things they detest. Who decides what is, and what is not, "decent behavior"? Quote: Originally Posted by CAK So? If I stand up for the right of someone to say something I detest, others will stand up for my rights, too. Quote: Originally Posted by CAK Why not? "Gun free zones" are immensely more dangerous than "Muslim free zones." Why do people target schools more often than police stations...? Because schools are "gun free zones"...meaning the criminal is much less likely to meet with return fire. Quote: Originally Posted by CAK Ok...and I'll protect someone's right to have such a zone. Quote: Originally Posted by CAK I guess that depends on what you call "racism", since "Muslim" isn't a race. Regardless...when you start forcing people that "this speech is acceptable, and this is not"...no matter how reasonable, rational, and justifiable you think you may be....and you may be!...someone will inevitably come along and apply those same standards to you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I agree with the slippery slope and do not believe in censorship. There is a line between censorship and protecting minorities, such as Muslims. You cannot compare your personal experiences on a message board, or what some ignorant fool paints on a sign, with the millions of minorities who have been subject to steadily increasing amounts of violence and persecution. Which has been largely incited by the mentality expoused by our current president. "Build the wall" goes hand in hand with "Nuslim Free Zone". Two different minorities, they are being persecuted all the same. The increasing projection of our country into an oligarchy, is the slippery slope that all Americans should be concerned with. Not "Gun Free Zone" signs or other things that the far right rolls out as shiny objects....all the while, the very fabric of our Democratic institutions is becoming unraveled. Tgere is a $500 billion dollar deal for oil that Rex Tillerson.....incidentally our newly appointed SOS, happens to be super chummy with Putin. The Young Turks, friends. Have a listen to them, not me. ...and with that, I am bowing out of this thread. |
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| Muslims are a minority now? I think they outnumber almost every other religion on Earth. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids You do realize that eliminating guns and our ability to fight back during a totalitarian takeover is plan #1 of the very oligarchy of which you speak right? Also, we're a Republic, not a Democracy, there's a difference, and it's important to know why. |
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@DocBrown I'd like to buy you a beer  |
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