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A simple quick glance at the barcode should remedy that. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Huh, I didn't realize you could differentiate any variant from the bar code alone... Who needs labels! |
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COLLECTOR | DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
You can differentiate Newsstand vs Direct by looking at the barcode. That is what the conversation was about, not variants. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Not variants? So Newsstand vs. Direct is not a variant? |
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COLLECTOR | DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Technically, no. They are not considered variants by the publishers. It is collectors who decided to seek them out as variants. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Nah... Steve's a big boy, he can handle a little constructive criticism. Look guys I'm not trying to be a dick - these are valid points. Here - in support of shrewbeer's original inquiry, let me cite an example. CGC has started noting "Newsstand Edition" on graded issues of Playboy. Early slabbed copies noted nothing on the label, yet the newsstand version of #1 sells for well over $10,000.00 more. There's no bar code, no way to know without a label. If I were a collector of old Playboy, I'd much prefer their newer label, like so: ...where a quick glance tells me everything I need to know. |
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COLLECTOR | DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Well in a situation where there's no visual way to make the distinction, it makes sense to note it on the label. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego And who drives the market? Do the publishers consider error printings variants? No, but collectors do, and again, the obvious thing is to just clearly note it on the label. I can't flip to the centerfold to see if the pages are swapped. If we want to devolve into arguing semantics and technicalities though, I'll concede the debate here |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Hooray DarthLego! Where's the fist-bump emoji?? |
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COLLECTOR | DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Well I can't get CBCS to decide to properly label a Batman #1 WB Studio Tour variant because someone at DC Comics is a bonehead and messed up the indicia. So I guess the decisions of the publishers do carry weight despite what the collector community thinks. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts The problem with this explanation is the following: 1. Yes, it's obvious when you're dealing with certain books in hand, especially from June of 1979 to July/Oct 1993. Before and after that, however, it's not so obvious. 2. When you're dealing with a census and a database, that "obviousness" disappears, since you're only looking at data, and not books. This data is PRICELESS IF you are going to have a census and a registry, which you realllly need to have. 3. It's not any different than dealing with a variant. Variants, even if they result in exponentially increasing the chances for error, are necessary to denote, for obvious reasons. DM and NS notations can be just as easy to implement. You have to input the title, the date, the issue number (I assume these are culled from your database), adding another box to check needn't add to your burden in any substantial way, and it should be second nature to the professional handling these things. 4. You need to have someone on your team who is an asshole. Who makes people mad, because all he/she does is make sure that everything is completely accurate at all times. Nitpicky as all get out, and not worried about what other people think of him/her, because Quality Control is all they care about. As TommyJasmin said, it's part of the job. It's not difficult, despite what the case study says. And yes, it requires more diligence, but this is an area that is RIPE for beating CGC. The expenditure in time and resources to set the program up is MORE than offset by the increased revenue of people looking so slab one or the other or both. I would even be willing to have you fly me out to Florida and help set it up as a consultant. I'm afraid the company has settled for "we can't", rather than searching for ways to ask "why not?" By the way...there are experts out there who can tell you precisely what a particular comic is, from whatever era they specialize in, just by looking at it. I assume you naturally consulted those people if there was any discovered deficiency in your in-house knowledge...? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego True, but it isn't the publishers who decided on the term "variants" in the first place. They were initially called "premiums" or "promotional issues" or "gold, silver, platinum editions" or "alternates", or "limited edition" or "limited series" (this was DF's preferred verbiage) or "limited premium edition" or "super limited premium edition"... The collecting community didn't settle on the word "variants" to encompass all of these until...maybe...10 years ago? I look at my 2003 OPG, and all of these words, and more, are found there. Hell, the OPG couldn't even decide what THE SAME VERSION were called. The Star Wars #1-4 35s are called "limited distribution" and "35c with UPC code; not reprints", while X-Men #105-107 are called "35c variants, limited distribution." So just because they're not considered variants by the publishers...and yes, I've red Shooter's explanation in early 80's OPGs...doesn't mean they're not. They clearly are, in the real sense of the word "variation." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego If we go by the indicia...and I understand the reasoning for why this is correct policy the vast majority of the time...then there are no such things as 30 and 35 cent Marvel variants... ...just sayin'... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I could see that happening. |
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. | kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
What if the majority of your paying customers requested the variation between newstand editions? | ||
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Collector | DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Whoever gives in first and offers it will get that increased business. |
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