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Quote:Originally Posted by Mijael You're the first person I've ever seen say positive things about the GSP. That makes me pause. I had GSP for several years, but I kept reading, over and over, that it was charging buyers too much, that it was a hassle, and that international buyers avoid listings with it, so last year, I just decided to remove it from everything. I had experienced a substantial dropoff in international customers around 2014, when I usually sold 3-5% of items to international customers. That dried completely up. Since getting rid of the GSP, I've had an increase in int'l customers, but who knows if it's because I removed GSP, or I just had different books that int'l buyers wanted. In any event, perhaps its the destination that makes a difference. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mijael If the global shipping program is charging a buyer customs fees that the global shipping program isn't charged by customs (Global Shipping program charges customs 100% of the time, customs charges under 50% of packages) - The global shipping program is a scam. Taking that money under the guise of customs is fraud. (BTW is not amazing). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Well if you got rid of it , just be sure to add Mexico in your shipping countries , because a lot of people got rid of it and didn´t include it |
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| "If the global shipping program is charging a buyer customs fees that the global shipping program isn't charged by customs (Global Shipping program charges customs 100% of the time, customs charges under 50% of packages) - The global shipping program is a scam.Taking that money under the guise of customs is fraud. (BTW is not amazing)." jimmylinguini I have oft thought this and asked several times "where does this money go to if it is not levied by UK Customs" and the best answer I got from them was that "this is in the hands of our shipping contractor Pitney Bowes". I tried to contact PB several times to no avail. Also a poster stated above that he writes "Printed Matter" on all packages to the UK which is fine but you would be better just declaring Books/Comics as SOME printed matter (Holiday Brochures or Sheet Music for instance) to the UK IS taxable. Sheesh  . |
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| Global shippibg program does not charges fees 100% of the time... again its not a scam.. | ||
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| In my experience GSP always includes customs charges etc when a seller uses GSP but these charges are only seen by the potential purchaser. The seller cannot see this. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mijael Yes they do. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini No they dont |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mijael So when you browse items on ebay and it says "import fees X amount" and has a "global shipping program" logo on the listing it only charges that fee SOME of the time? NO. It charges that fee 100% of the time. Why would a listing show the price of a book WITH import fees if it didn't charge those import fees? If you can't understand that, I can't help you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade Yes the only one who can see the fees is the seller, Just purchased a very nice book and becuase of the value i didn´t paid import tax . Just purchasedfor example :Book of Edena by Moebius From all the sellers the best chpice was someone using the GSP program because the shipping was cheaper and i paid $0 taxes |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini you know whats a scam ? the "invest" site CBSI , what joke... are you familiar with it? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mijael Can you explain how its a scam? Can you also refute any of the points in my previous post? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini Already stated my point , having a discussion with you is a total waste of time, this is not the first we see each other in a board right? I think conversation doesn´t flow right with us . As for the CBSI , some people there, pump their modern variant copies with the top ten and other articles. This hobbie needs more serious investing sites. Cheers |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini +1 |
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| The GSP is not a scam and Pitany Bowes is not stealing from anyone. Pitany Bowes is a customs broker, they charge a fee to clear your items through customs and the rest of the import charges are paid to customs. Similar to how DHL and FedEx are customs brokers, the only difference is that PB has a contract with eBay so your not charged a fee by PB every time you use their service. PB collects import fees and submits them to customs on your behalf. Import fees using the GSP are calculated based on: Country of Origin Final sale price Destination country The GSP does not calculate import charges the same way on every single item. The final import charges are determined by how the seller has classified the item while creating the listing. I use the GSP when purchasing on eBay when ever I can and have only had a problem once, and that was with the final logistics provider, NOT the GSP. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham +1 |
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| Scam or not the fact is that ebay/Pitney Bowes automatically charge all customs fees/taxes/charges/tariffs whether they are legally entitled to or not. Here is a missive from ebay regarding the ONLY time out of hundreds that I finally managed to get a refund (75 quid is 94 bucks) : QUOTE. Follow up SR# 1-76614676493 Thank you for using eBay. This is a follow up email with regard to the import charges of the comics item that you have purchased. First I would like to acknowledge our previous communication via Live Help. We have received an update from our Account Specialist on your query and allow me to discuss this to you further. It turns out that this is an issue with the alignment of subcategories between the US and UK sites. Our US GSP team have gone ahead and refunded you for the customs charges you have paid for this item -£ 75.06. You can check this on the Order Details of the item and on your PayPal account. I trust this information is helpful. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance. Kind regards, Rhoda L. eBay Customer Support END QUOTE. So there it is, an admission by ebay that they were in error. Perhaps if enough of us complained they would finally be able to get themselves "aligned". |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade If you feel the import fees you are being charged are incorrect you can apply to your country's customs and border services to have them adjusted if you can prove that they used the incorrect tariff # when processing your package, regardless of who your brokerage firm was. People only complain when they pay more than they feel they should have. What about all the times you have packages processed and don't pay any import fees when you should have, do you call up customs and say "oh hi, I just wanted to let you know I wasn't charged any importation fees but I think I should have been. Can you take my money now?" Probably not... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham They DO NOT get to my "country's customs" so how do I claim a refund on "payments" that are non-existent as far as they are concerned? It is GSP/PB who claims these charges and then trousers the lot! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Redshade Thank you for sharing your experience. |
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| Don't get me wrong, it sucks that you're being charged when you shouldn't be and dealing with refunds is never enjoyable. I guess the main points are If you like the GSP, use it. If you don't like the GSP, don't use it. As far as this "misalignment" you were told about, sounds more like a brush off and a refund because they couldn't figure out why you're being charged import fees when you shouldn't be. Did you inquire as to what exactly that meant and what about other customers who may have been charged in error? Or did you just take the money and run. I'd suspect that the majority of the fault probably falls upon the seller for not using the GSP correctly. Realistically, a 75£ refund is a drop in a fairly large bucket to eBay. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham Ya know, people frequently say this about a lot of things, but it's not really an answer, and it's not always that simple. "Don't like it? Don't use it" as if that ends the conversation. What about the people who don't like the GSP, but don't have a choice? What about the people who don't like it, but think it could be made better? What about the people who don't like it because they might not understand it, and hope someone can explain it? Should they just not use it? I don't like eBay. In fact, I despise it. I would love nothing more than for there to be another option that allows me to sell the amount that I do...but there isn't. Should I not use eBay because I hate it? No, I suck it up, and make the best I can of it. And, I talk about it, because maybe someone else has an answer to an issue I'm having that I hadn't thought of. Having used the GSP for about 2-3 years, there isn't really a way to "not use it correctly" as a seller. You enable it, and it takes care of everything else automatically. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I don't like being charged the tax but to be perfectly honest I have RARELY ever been charge for it. I don't even really care any more. If I get charged I get charged. Understand though that while you might not like foreign bidders and their "tactics" we are NOT the only ones who do such things. I have had US buyers try and get "breaks" on shipping, even back before the cross border shipping charges were cripplingly high. My selling experience on eBay basically came to a halt when US buyers pretty much stopped paying me for items they won in auction. I never had one foreign or Canadian not pay me. Back then I had no recourse to recover my fees or anything. Make no mistake I get how annoying it can be but don't make it sound like foreigners are all evil or the only ones that play games. Hell, our taxes isn't really the problem it is the US owned carriers that screw us and charge us double to triple the rate just to get a package across the border. Yeah I get fuel costs a lot but they likely use lots of fuel within the US as well. Anyway, I say just flatly declare outright in your auctions that you will not lie on any customs forms. I know I won't. Heck, I don't even use that end-around to taxes that CGC and CBCS have mentioned. Yes, those forms some Canadians fill out when they send their books to CGC and CBCS are not actually supposed to apply to comics being sent for grading. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Yeah GSP costs buyers way more than they would normally pay. I simply will not purchase anything that has the GSP. I am surprised more sellers, like you, have not realized a business drop-off because of it. |
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| @oxbladder I hear ya....I've never bought from a foreign vendor, but only have good experiences with intl buyers. For my auctions, I usually don't include international buyers, because I really think each country has its own fees, so I REQUIRE any intl bidder to contact me first and before biddding, just to discuss freight charges. I want them to be aware of the charges and I have normally done it outside of eBay thru USPS...IMO....they are the most honest in the transit. |
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