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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
Hi all

I got a question for you. What in your opinion is more important to a character's first appearance? Their 1st Cameo or 1st Full Appearance? I've seen differing opinions. Sometimes the 1st Cameo is worth more than the 1st Full appearance and vice versa.

Some Examples:
1st Wolverine
Incredible Hulk #180 (1st Cameo) Vs Incredible Hulk #181 (Full)
In this case 181 almost always sells for more.

But on the flip side...
1st Black Bolt
Fantastic Four #45 (1st Cameo) vs Fantastic Four #46 (Full)
Fantastic Four #45 almost always sells for more.

There are hundreds of more examples either way, Thoughts?

Usually the 1st Full is worth more. But do you all agree that should be the case? Technically Cameo is the 1st appearance.
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Collector Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
....popcorn time .....
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Collector Sirtoddington private msg quote post Address this user
There's also Venom. First Full was Amaz. Spider-Man #300, but his first technical appearance was last page of Amaz. Spider-an #299
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@Sirtoddington Which one sells for more? Which do you think is more important Cameo or full?
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Collector Sirtoddington private msg quote post Address this user
Amaz. Spider-Man #300 obviously. but 299 WAS his first cameo appearance.
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
The geeks buying this stuff decide which one the monetary gods smile upon.
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COLLECTOR Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson I'll agree with that sentiment.
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Collector slym2none private msg quote post Address this user
"First full appearance" to me simply means "second appearance", or even later.

But the market decides which is worth more, monetarily. To me, the real first appearance is what should matter, but that's just me talking about myself only.
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Collector Sirtoddington private msg quote post Address this user
I think it's more of a they have an actual storyline & not just a one panel shot.
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Collector slym2none private msg quote post Address this user
Redacted.
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
I think it's more the cover than anything, especially in the case of Hulk 180/181.
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson Ya but then why is Fantastic Four 46 worth less? The cover is awesome. 45's cover is boring in my opinion.




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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
@KingNampa I prefer 45 to 46. I have always hated floating head covers.
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson Ahh so Cameo or Full doesn't really matter, its how cool the cover is. I think I'm getting it now. Hulk #181 does have the better looking cover.
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
It matters to some people. Once a first appearance is established, it's difficult to break from what's established.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Cover makes a big difference to me. If a person appears in a single frame or two but isnt on the cover, but then has a book featuring them fully cover and all, I want the latter book for my "first appearance" collection.
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
I like first full appearance imo
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Collector TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
@KingNampa I prefer 45 to 46. I have always hated floating head covers.


Does Amazing Spidey 121 count as a floating head cover? I've always liked this one:


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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
Floating heads are creepy.


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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by TruckJohnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
@KingNampa I prefer 45 to 46. I have always hated floating head covers.


Does Amazing Spidey 121 count as a floating head cover? I've always liked this one:



To me, those are framed portraits.
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
Warlock was probably the hardest to figger out first app. They settled on Thor 165 but it could have been any number of others.
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@Kav Who is they? The grading companies or general public? Wasn't Warlock first introduced as "Him"?
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
I have no idea who they are or how it happens. very mysterious.
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
Just suddenly on ebay you'll see one book take off....
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@Kav Ahh I see its Thor 165 vs Marvel Premier #1?

That's a tough one. In Thor 165 they never refer to him as Adam Warlock. Its like 3 years later they come up with the actual Adam Warlock name for Marvel Premier. I'd argue that it should be Marvel Premier.
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
Thor was the book that took off so thor it is
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
Personally I think it should be the FF cocoon book
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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
plus they made that movie cocoon so movie tie in
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
LOL, the one with Aliens and Old people?? What is the connection?


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Collector Kav private msg quote post Address this user
well they both had cocoons with beings with powers inside....
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