Email Alertscheckbox YTcheckbox Manage Email Alerts

What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

Pages:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

Collector 286	286 Iceman399 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Kinzebac Quote: Originally Posted by Iceman399 I love the updated photos he posted...every single one is off center and tilted. Doesn't it make everyone feel sooooo much better especially seeing those Newton Rings on the front cover of the dark covered books still. Careful Masterctrlprogram why didn't you declare the slabs had damage at the top of the holder and that "they arrived safely to the submitter after we shipped them to him" SHAME ON YOU! After rereading Matt's response, I am thinking that his post really isn't putting too many people's fears at ease. 100% agree
	9 years ago	Post 201 • IP flag post

Collector 826	826 Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Iceman399 Quote: Originally Posted by Kinzebac Quote: Originally Posted by Iceman399 I love the updated photos he posted...every single one is off center and tilted. Doesn't it make everyone feel sooooo much better especially seeing those Newton Rings on the front cover of the dark covered books still. Careful Masterctrlprogram why didn't you declare the slabs had damage at the top of the holder and that "they arrived safely to the submitter after we shipped them to him" SHAME ON YOU! After rereading Matt's response, I am thinking that his post really isn't putting too many people's fears at ease. 100% agree And those were the best examples of books that they could find to post as improvement examples? Oh boy
	9 years ago	Post 202 • IP flag post

Collector 2.39K	2.39K Odins_Raven private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Does anyone know if the new cases are seeing less money for the same books in older cases? Are the previous generations of cases becoming more collectible as a result of the Newtonian issues?
	9 years ago	Post 203 • IP flag post

Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	The strident, yet dubious, defensive posture of many CGC loyalists and its employees regarding anything negative or subjective regarding the company, its practices, or products, has always been disturbing. This current performance/product debacle, and its shameful roll out, makes its defenders look arrogant, daft, and meek.
	9 years ago	Post 204 • IP flag post

If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons.
	9 years ago	Post 205 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	I'm seeing examples of reholder submissions coming back looking pretty much the same. Hardly seems worth the effort. It won't be long before all this back and forth shipping is going to result in lost, stolen, or damaged books- If it hasn't already.
	9 years ago	Post 206 • IP flag post

Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. This.
	9 years ago	Post 207 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. What reasons??
	9 years ago	Post 208 • IP flag post

Collector 52	52 BobALuey private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by BobALuey Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think you ask a lot of questions, but how would you answer them? No. Yes. Maybe a little. No. Yes, in my opinion. Yes, in my opinion. No, it needs to be more like the CBCS holder. No. Yes. Yes. I think it's a glorified cell phone case designed to go around a comic book. I wouldn't put someone else's books in it, much less my own. Asked and answered.
	9 years ago	Post 209 • IP flag post

If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. What reasons?? The stuff I want to keep, I would send to CBCS. The stuff I wanted to sell, I sent to the cgc. That is a general rule of thumb. Some of the stuff I wanted to sell also went to CBCS, but due to all the Registry whatnots, some of the filler issues that I had graded by CBCS are harder to sell. I don't really have any problems with the key and semi-key issues. I have sold several CBCS graded books for more than their cgc counterparts. I can usually get $175 for a Liefeld signed X-Force #2 while GPA shows an average of around $150. However, since the sales aren't cgc books, they don't show up in GPA... which kind of sucks. Luckily, not everyone has or uses GPA. I have also sent books that fail 9.8 pre-screens or grade-screens at one company off to the other.
	9 years ago	Post 210 • IP flag post

Leftover Sundae Gnus 31.12K	31.12K CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Towmater On some things CGC grades harder, on others, CBCS grades harder, or rather that's a perception that's been guardedly discussed over on the other boards. It makes sense to me that if you know which company grades hardest on specific flaws you can cherry pick the service that provides the best grade for your books. At least in theory. That said, grading is as much an art as it is a science and while both companies have well trained graders, there will likely be nuanced differences in their final analysis based on personal preferences and company policies. This is entirely normal, and it doesn't mean either company overgrades or undergrades as a matter of principle. In respect to differences between them, CBCS is the only grading service currently offering verified signature identification for those signed collectibles obtained prior to the advent of signature witnessing programs. Also, CBCS has done away with the PLOD and GLOD stigma. Everything is disclosed, but legibly rather than by color. Without cheerleading any product, just let me say that I'm very impressed with the clarity of both company's holders. What concerns me are issues such as Newton's rings, waves and the unknown risks of long term encapsulation under pressure that plague one of the products.
	9 years ago	Post 211 • IP flag post

Leftover Sundae Gnus 31.12K	31.12K CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. What reasons?? The stuff I want to keep, I would send to CBCS. The stuff I wanted to sell, I sent to the cgc. That is a general rule of thumb. Some of the stuff I wanted to sell also went to CBCS, but due to all the Registry whatnots, some of the filler issues that I had graded by CBCS are harder to sell. I don't really have any problems with the key and semi-key issues. I have sold several CBCS graded books for more than their cgc counterparts. I can usually get $175 for a Liefeld signed X-Force #2 while GPA shows an average of around $150. However, since the sales aren't cgc books, they don't show up in GPA... which kind of sucks. Luckily, not everyone has or uses GPA. I have also sent books that fail 9.8 pre-screens or grade-screens at one company off to the other. GPA needs to get with the program. I suspect they'll be under pressure to provide that data eventually. Another comic market data service was mentioned awhile back that provides both CGC and CBCS sales data. While I'm currently a GPA subscriber, I'm always on the lookout for more inclusive data providers. While they're at it, maybe someone can figure out how to obtain across the board sales data from CLink auctions since they've been less than forthcoming about sharing internal data. Every CLink auction can be followed and the final hammer price seen. I just can't see this as proprietary information. The more info available to dealers and collectors the healthier the hobby will be, IMO.
	9 years ago	Post 212 • IP flag post

Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Josh wants to get paid for his data at Clink...that's what I heard.
	9 years ago	Post 213 • IP flag post

Collector

1.09K

Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user

plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Towmater
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons.

What reasons??

The stuff I want to keep, I would send to CBCS. The stuff I wanted to sell, I sent to the cgc. That is a general rule of thumb. Some of the stuff I wanted to sell also went to CBCS, but due to all the Registry whatnots, some of the filler issues that I had graded by CBCS are harder to sell.

I don't really have any problems with the key and semi-key issues. I have sold several CBCS graded books for more than their cgc counterparts. I can usually get $175 for a Liefeld signed X-Force #2 while GPA shows an average of around $150. However, since the sales aren't cgc books, they don't show up in GPA... which kind of sucks. Luckily, not everyone has or uses GPA.

I have also sent books that fail 9.8 pre-screens or grade-screens at one company off to the other.

GPA needs to get with the program. I suspect they'll be under pressure to provide that data eventually. Another comic market data service was mentioned awhile back that provides both CGC and CBCS sales data. While I'm currently a GPA subscriber, I'm always on the lookout for more inclusive data providers.

While they're at it, maybe someone can figure out how to obtain across the board sales data from CLink auctions

Can you tighten Josh's moral compass? That's the only way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica
since they've been less than forthcoming about sharing internal data. Every CLink auction can be followed and the final hammer price seen. I just can't see this as proprietary information.

Josh told George straight up that he only wanted to give George select data, and George told Josh to go jump in a lake until he can be more honest.

9 years ago

Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it! 6.26K	6.26K IronMan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. This
	9 years ago	Post 215 • IP flag post

Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it! 6.26K	6.26K IronMan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Marc_1 Josh wants to get paid for his data at Clink...that's what I heard. I believe it is that Josh wanted to cherry pick what data CL reported to GPA.
	9 years ago	Post 216 • IP flag post

Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!

6.26K

IronMan private msg quote post Address this user

plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towmater
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons.

What reasons??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrWatson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Towmater
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons.

What reasons??

The stuff I want to keep, I would send to CBCS. The stuff I wanted to sell, I sent to the cgc. That is a general rule of thumb. Some of the stuff I wanted to sell also went to CBCS, but due to all the Registry whatnots, some of the filler issues that I had graded by CBCS are harder to sell.

I don't really have any problems with the key and semi-key issues. I have sold several CBCS graded books for more than their cgc counterparts. I can usually get $175 for a Liefeld signed X-Force #2 while GPA shows an average of around $150. However, since the sales aren't cgc books, they don't show up in GPA... which kind of sucks. Luckily, not everyone has or uses GPA.

I have also sent books that fail 9.8 pre-screens or grade-screens at one company off to the other.

The Dr gives some good reasons. I'll add a few more. I'll also add that CBCS gets most of my own personal submissions - but not all.

There are instances now where CGC is the less expensive service. They have the Value tier at $25 a book. Less expensive than any comparable CBCS tier - regardless of your account submission status (Dealer, member, non-member) It astonishes me, but CBCS also does not have dealer pricing for their 1 day service. A $5000 book is actually $30 less for dealers, $15-$20 less for Collectors going to CGC.

CGC also offers they bargain rate UPS shipping. One book $13, $2 for each additional book. This typically works out less than using my own FedEx account. If you have your own private shipping insurance - or are not adverse to risk the savings can add up.

My last submission to CGC was a mid grade TOS 39. $5K value. It actually cost me about $50 LESS to get it done by CGC than CBCS. Grading was $30 less, shipping was only $13. If someone had told me 18 months ago that CBCS was going to cost substantially more than CGC on bigger books, I'd have laughed.

9 years ago

Collector 2.39K	2.39K Odins_Raven private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	clickable text Just saw this FB photo posted by a proud new owner of a CGC sketch cover he just received. The cover is AMAZING, but what caught/distracted my eye from the beautiful book was how CROOKED the book was in the case!!! Take a look its pretty bad...
	9 years ago	Post 218 • IP flag post

If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by Odins_Raven clickable text Just saw this FB photo posted by a proud new owner of a CGC sketch cover he just received. The cover is AMAZING, but what caught/distracted my eye from the beautiful book was how CROOKED the book was in the case!!! Take a look its pretty bad...
	9 years ago	Post 219 • IP flag post

Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	So pleased I have so many of my old CGC labeled slabs left.
	9 years ago	Post 220 • IP flag post

Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I've never understood why it always had to be one or the other. Before this new case rolled out, I used both companies for different reasons. What reasons?? The stuff I want to keep, I would send to CBCS. The stuff I wanted to sell, I sent to the cgc. That is a general rule of thumb. Some of the stuff I wanted to sell also went to CBCS, but due to all the Registry whatnots, some of the filler issues that I had graded by CBCS are harder to sell. I don't really have any problems with the key and semi-key issues. I have sold several CBCS graded books for more than their cgc counterparts. I can usually get $175 for a Liefeld signed X-Force #2 while GPA shows an average of around $150. However, since the sales aren't cgc books, they don't show up in GPA... which kind of sucks. Luckily, not everyone has or uses GPA. I have also sent books that fail 9.8 pre-screens or grade-screens at one company off to the other. GPA needs to get with the program. I suspect they'll be under pressure to provide that data eventually. Another comic market data service was mentioned awhile back that provides both CGC and CBCS sales data. While I'm currently a GPA subscriber, I'm always on the lookout for more inclusive data providers. While they're at it, maybe someone can figure out how to obtain across the board sales data from CLink auctions Can you tighten Josh's moral compass? That's the only way. Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica since they've been less than forthcoming about sharing internal data. Every CLink auction can be followed and the final hammer price seen. I just can't see this as proprietary information. Josh told George straight up that he only wanted to give George select data, and George told Josh to go jump in a lake until he can be more honest. Here's one of the threads, but not the thread I was thinking of: Edit: this IS the thread I was thinking of, I just didn't read far enough along to get to the discussion I remember. If you have it set on 10 posts per it's like pages 15-18. http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1499982 This one boils down to: Josh - "I offered to give GPA some high-end ComicLink sales, not all sales, and if it is all-or-nothing I am not comfortable with handing over all of that valuable data to GPA or any other company. The offer I extended was based on thinking that GPA would prefer more data to less, especially in the high dollar department, as it is currently lacking all of ComicLink's high dollar sales. I thought it would benefit your customers to have more information in this department going forward, however little." George - "Josh, we can continue going over this. You want to report some sales to us, we would rather you reported all sales. Other than the chart busters section on our home page, there is no identifier as to where the sale comes from. I can't force you to report to us, you can't force me to change my policy. Dealers are free to do what they want, buyers are free to do what they want. I stand by my service and don't believe it misleads in any way. If that is your opinion, well, that is your opinion. You ultimately deal directly with your customers and you are best placed to put your argument forward for whatever position you hold for any and all issues."
	9 years ago	Post 221 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Odins_Raven clickable text Just saw this FB photo posted by a proud new owner of a CGC sketch cover he just received. The cover is AMAZING, but what caught/distracted my eye from the beautiful book was how CROOKED the book was in the case!!! Take a look its pretty bad... Fail But lucky for CGC that the owner doesn't want to hassle with the reholder.
	9 years ago	Post 222 • IP flag post

Collector 76	76 Red84 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	The new holder is a complete disaster. I like slabs because they both protect the book and act effectively as a nice frame in which to present it. I don't have any interest in paying to have my book look like garbage. Unless they get their act together quickly their share of the market is going to significantly decrease.
	9 years ago	Post 223 • IP flag post

Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	I cannot be alone in the thought that the current CGC executive management is seemingly either incapable of rigoris and knowledgeable leadership regarding corporate R&D protocol, or completely incompetent of it. Either is just as bad. I cannot fathom how this kind of economic and creative "mistake" is produced on this level? its stunning in its failure. Consider if CGC was an automobile manufacturer. This kind of fail is akin to rolling out the new company standard barer to showrooms, only to discover the car actually has numerous flaws to its overall functionality. That would be in both mechanical and aesthetic areas. One might never recover from that kind of @#$% up
	9 years ago	Post 224 • IP flag post

Collector 826	826 Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot I cannot be alone in the thought that the current CGC executive management is seemingly either incapable of rigoris and knowledgeable leadership regarding corporate R&D protocol, or completely incompetent of it. Either is just as bad. I cannot fathom how this kind of economic and creative "mistake" is produced on this level? its stunning in its failure. Consider if CGC was an automobile manufacturer. This kind of fail is akin to rolling out the new company standard barer to showrooms, only to discover the car actually has numerous flaws to its overall functionality. That would be in both mechanical and aesthetic areas. One might never recover from that kind of @#$% up +1
	9 years ago	Post 225 • IP flag post

Collector 1.54K	1.54K D84 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	I agree. If CGC doesn't fix this right away, CBCS could take over the market. Once that happens, CGC will be fighting an uphill battle.
	9 years ago	Post 226 • IP flag post

Collector 165	165 Namrepus28 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8
	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot I cannot be alone in the thought that the current CGC executive management is seemingly either incapable of rigoris and knowledgeable leadership regarding corporate R&D protocol, or completely incompetent of it. Either is just as bad. I cannot fathom how this kind of economic and creative "mistake" is produced on this level? its stunning in its failure. Consider if CGC was an automobile manufacturer. This kind of fail is akin to rolling out the new company standard barer to showrooms, only to discover the car actually has numerous flaws to its overall functionality. That would be in both mechanical and aesthetic areas. One might never recover from that kind of @#$% up You're echoing the question in my mind of "how?" How could you research, design, and develop a new product and release it to the public with this many issues? Bare minimum I hoped they would solve their numerous Newton issues with this new holder. They couldn't even do that (if anything it seems worse) and now they have created a slew of new concerns and issues that didn't exist previously. How were none of these issues noticed or caught before it got to this point? It doesn't make any sense.
	9 years ago	Post 227 • IP flag post

Collector

11.12K

MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user

plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namrepus28

How were none of these issues noticed or caught before it got to this point? It doesn't make any sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Nelson
Some of you are wondering how the newton effect escaped all of this testing. The truth is we made a slight change shortly before the launch that proved to be critical to the assembly of the holder, but unfortunately augmented the effect on some books.

9 years ago

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by D84 I agree. If CGC doesn't fix this right away, CBCS could take over the market. Once that happens, CGC will be fighting an uphill battle. I have no doubts at all that they'll fix things, and they'll be just fine. I do think, however, that this is an unexpected boost for CBCS. I imagine they'll get more attention and opportunities to show their product, and might just gain the respect that the CGC loyalists seem to think NO ONE else should ever get.
	9 years ago	Post 229 • IP flag post

Collector 2.39K	2.39K Odins_Raven private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Anyone else thinking that CGC might end up going back to inner wells? How do you unveil a product that has so many issues? I think CGC was so desperate to find ANYTHING to take attention from CBCS that they put the "Floating" cases out with little to no R&D. Really makes me wonder how well they are being run right now. A poor product says you, a change in management says I.
	9 years ago	Post 230 • IP flag post

623235 500 30

« Forum Home

Pages:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

This thread is full. Click here to return to the board.