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What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

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I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.

Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?

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I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.

Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?



Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe?
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I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.

Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?



Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe?

I read your post on the cgc boards. It was four times as long as the one here. Tiny blessings.

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More waves. Click to make it bigger. Thanks to Ditch Fahrenheit











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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

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Oh my.
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Yikes. There has been quite a few less than flattering pictures floating around on the internet about those new holders.
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I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.

Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?



Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe?

I read your post on the cgc boards. It was four times as long as the one here. Tiny blessings.

I'm impressed that you read it.
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@Pre_Coder The polybag wasn't sticky. Some of them may have been a bit milky in color.

I always understood that if one uses Mylar that they don't have to be changed/replaced. The backing board, on the other hand, needs to be changed maybe seven/ten years.


Mylar claims to be a lifetime plastic - maybe, I don't know.


Would you believe the Library of Congress?

"According to the US Library of Congress, the most preferred material for preserving valuable documents is uncoated archival quality polyester film, such as Mylar® type D. or equivalent material Melinex® 516.

Mylar® is an exceptionally strong transparent film that is resistant to moisture, pollutants, oils, and acids. It contains no volatile chemicals which will migrate to the surface of the paper and cause damage. With a life expectancy of hundreds of years, Mylar® will outlast most other plastics."
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I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.

Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?



Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe?

I read your post on the cgc boards. It was four times as long as the one here. Tiny blessings.

I'm impressed that you read it.

Me too.
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@Pre_Coder The polybag wasn't sticky. Some of them may have been a bit milky in color.

I always understood that if one uses Mylar that they don't have to be changed/replaced. The backing board, on the other hand, needs to be changed maybe seven/ten years.


Mylar claims to be a lifetime plastic - maybe, I don't know.


Would you believe the Library of Congress?

"According to the US Library of Congress, the most preferred material for preserving valuable documents is uncoated archival quality polyester film, such as Mylar® type D. or equivalent material Melinex® 516.

Mylar® is an exceptionally strong transparent film that is resistant to moisture, pollutants, oils, and acids. It contains no volatile chemicals which will migrate to the surface of the paper and cause damage. With a life expectancy of hundreds of years, Mylar® will outlast most other plastics."


I would, ...as long as we're just talking about the Library.
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Wrinkles/Waviness





I just got this back yesterday. I can't get a great angle but I have the waviness as well. And I had this book pressed!(please don't turn this into a pressing debate} I figured it was a bad press job but now I'm not so sure. It's pretty disappointing.



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@CatmanAmerica The lady that helped us view the AF #15 original art was very nice and very helpful.
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@DrWatson Kewl, did they have the Kirby cover art too?
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I just got this back yesterday. I can't get a great angle but I have the waviness as well. And I had this book pressed!(please don't turn this into a pressing debate} I figured it was a bad press job but now I'm not so sure. It's pretty disappointing.


Sorry to see this. Are you sending the slabs back to have them correct it?
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I got my first book back in the new holder earlier this week. Here are the pro's and con's that I see as a consumer.

Pro's

1. Case is solid and does not have the open sides the old case had.
2. Case is crystal clear.
3. The additional support around the encased label adds a level of stability that the old case sorely lacked.

Con's

1. Label. The grade screams at me, while the PQ barely whispers.
2. Newtonian effect. The book I received back is a black picture frame. The NE undermines all the pro's above.
3. Waves. Not just on the top edge as the old CGC holders were prone to do. Makes the book look like it was pressed improperly, which was not the case as it is was a 9.6 book before reholdering.
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I remember reading on the CGC boards a post by Matt Nelson stating that books that were being graded now were being encased in a newer holder where CGC had fixed some of the original new case mistakes. So has anyone had any experience with this improved case or is it still too early to tell?
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I got my first book back in the new holder earlier this week. Here are the pro's and con's that I see as a consumer.

Pro's

1. Case is solid and does not have the open sides the old case had.
2. Case is crystal clear.
3. The additional support around the encased label adds a level of stability that the old case sorely lacked.

Con's

1. Label. The grade screams at me, while the PQ barely whispers.
2. Newtonian effect. The book I received back is a black picture frame. The NE undermines all the pro's above.
3. Waves. Not just on the top edge as the old CGC holders were prone to do. Makes the book look like it was pressed improperly, which was not the case as it is was a 9.6 book before reholdering.


Wow. The more I hear that the Newtonian effect not only remains with CGC books, but is also seemingly worse with the new cases is seriously making me re-consider sending them a shipment.

CBCS might end up getting all of my business. At least the books don't come back with glaring oily patches that not only frustrate me, but my clients as well.
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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

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I've already made my viewpoint clear across the street, but at least get your facts straight.

This was misplacement by someone at CGC and not book movement.
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@Namrepus28 I'm curious why wasn't CBCS getting all your business until now?
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@Kinzebac I just got a new shipment a few days ago and the NR are still there but not as prevalent as before
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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

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I've already made my viewpoint clear across the street, but at least get your facts straight.

This was misplacement by someone at CGC and not book movement.


Regardless, doesn't say much about there QA department.
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This is really upsetting.

I have the "best in set type" award for one set and was planning on submitting a wave of books in to get another from someone who has had it for 5 years straight, but it doesn't seem worth it if they come back looking like that.

I bought a cgc books years ago ( my first one actually ) off ebay and it had that n. effect in the center of the book. It bothered me every time I looked at it because it was a b/w cover with a lot of black, until I read how to fix it with a piece of paper. I can't imagine getting a whole set of books back with the same problem, but worse, and not able to fix it.

I guess, I will not be getting the award this year. Maybe next year if they fix it.
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@Kinzebac I just got a new shipment a few days ago and the NR are still there but not as prevalent as before


Thanks for letting me know. I guess that is an improvement.
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This is all depressingly horrid
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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

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I've already made my viewpoint clear across the street, but at least get your facts straight.

This was misplacement by someone at CGC and not book movement.

That's even worse.

However, with no inner well and no seams around the book. The book will move. It's like riding in a car. If you are traveling at a rate of speed and then suddenly stop, the items that are not anchored down continue to move. Let's say that this book is doubled boxed inside a 1092 and a 1095. That box is dropped, falls off a conveyor belt, or is in a delivery vehicle that suddenly stops. When that box hits whatever it is that stops it from moving, the comic can continue to move inside the slab until it runs out of momentum or it makes its way to the edge of the holder. The cover may stay stationary and the insides might move, tearing the staples. The entire book might shift. Not something I'm willing to chance. I don't care who you or anyone else chooses to grade their books. I do care that they have enough information to make a decision that makes them happy.

Whether it was slabbed incorrectly or the book moved is really irrelevant as it still looks like crap. If the book had been in an inner well, the chances of either happening would have been greatly reduced.
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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

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I've already made my viewpoint clear across the street, but at least get your facts straight.

This was misplacement by someone at CGC and not book movement.

That's even worse.

However, with no inner well and no seams around the book. The book will move. It's like riding in a car. If you are traveling at a rate of speed and then suddenly stop, the items that are not anchored down continue to move. Let's say that this book is doubled boxed inside a 1092 and a 1095. That box is dropped, falls off a conveyor belt, or is in a delivery vehicle that suddenly stops. When that box hits whatever it is that stops it from moving, the comic can continue to move inside the slab until it runs out of momentum or it makes its way to the edge of the holder. The cover may stay stationary and the insides might move, tearing the staples. The entire book might shift. Not something I'm willing to chance. I don't care who you or anyone else chooses to grade their books. I do care that they have enough information to make a decision that makes them happy.

Whether it was slabbed incorrectly or the book moved is really irrelevant as it still looks like crap. If the book had been in an inner well, the chances of either happening would have been greatly reduced.


Then you should care to get your facts straight and not make anything up in your imagination because you don't like someone. It was proven to be misplacement and when the owner tried tapping it down, it did not move.

End the speculation and start the process of determining what the problems are so they can be rectified. THAT is beneficial to everyone. Replace opinions with fact, and you'll be more credible
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This is really upsetting.

I have the "best in set type" award for one set and was planning on submitting a wave of books in to get another from someone who has had it for 5 years straight, but it doesn't seem worth it if they come back looking like that.

I bought a cgc books years ago ( my first one actually ) off ebay and it had that n. effect in the center of the book. It bothered me every time I looked at it because it was a b/w cover with a lot of black, until I read how to fix it with a piece of paper. I can't imagine getting a whole set of books back with the same problem, but worse, and not able to fix it.

I guess, I will not be getting the award this year. Maybe next year if they fix it.


Don't fall for Registry hype.
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No well. No seams. Equals book movement:

Click for bigger.




I've already made my viewpoint clear across the street, but at least get your facts straight.

This was misplacement by someone at CGC and not book movement.

That's even worse.

However, with no inner well and no seams around the book. The book will move. It's like riding in a car. If you are traveling at a rate of speed and then suddenly stop, the items that are not anchored down continue to move. Let's say that this book is doubled boxed inside a 1092 and a 1095. That box is dropped, falls off a conveyor belt, or is in a delivery vehicle that suddenly stops. When that box hits whatever it is that stops it from moving, the comic can continue to move inside the slab until it runs out of momentum or it makes its way to the edge of the holder. The cover may stay stationary and the insides might move, tearing the staples. The entire book might shift. Not something I'm willing to chance. I don't care who you or anyone else chooses to grade their books. I do care that they have enough information to make a decision that makes them happy.

Whether it was slabbed incorrectly or the book moved is really irrelevant as it still looks like crap. If the book had been in an inner well, the chances of either happening would have been greatly reduced.


Then you should care to get your facts straight and not make anything up in your imagination because you don't like someone. It was proven to be misplacement and when the owner tried tapping it down, it did not move.

End the speculation and start the process of determining what the problems are so they can be rectified. THAT is beneficial to everyone. Replace opinions with fact, and you'll be more credible

If someone says the book pictured above was sealed in the holder incorrectly, then fine, it was sealed incorrectly. I was wrong. It didn't move. It doesn't change the fact that a book will move inside the new cgc holder. There's nothing to stop it.

Whether I like someone or not has no bearing on the fact that the cgc released an inferior product. I have plenty of comics graded by the cgc. I have a dealer account. Currently, unless it's a key or an in demand book, cgc graded comics sold better for me than CBCS graded books. I don't hate the cgc. I have a submission ready to go to CFP_Comics that was going to the cgc. Now it's not. The new cgc case is poorly designed. It's like they took a cell phone case and snapped it around a comic book.
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