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Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all.

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Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all.

Is there microcchamber paper inside CBCS slabbed comics?

Nope. The reason the micro chamber paper was in the cgc slabs was because of the Barex off-gassing. CBCS = no Barex = no micro chamber paper.

Just wondering if those 2 plastic sheets covering the front and back of the book in the video is truly Mylar or Barex.

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	Quote: Originally Posted by Despain @DrWatson It took me a minute to find it, but this is what I was talking about: That's wild. Where ever that book was stored, I don't think micro chamber paper would have made much of a difference.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all. Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Despain Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all. Is there microcchamber paper inside CBCS slabbed comics? Nope. The reason the micro chamber paper was in the cgc slabs was because of the Barex off-gassing. CBCS = no Barex = no micro chamber paper. Just wondering if those 2 plastic sheets covering the front and back of the book in the video is truly Mylar or Barex. The Barex plant shut down. That's why there's a new cgc holder to begin with: Ineos closing Barex plant, exiting business By: Frank Esposito October 29, 2014 Materials maker Ineos Group is closing its only global Barex-brand polyacrylonitrile (PAN) resin plant in Lima, Ohio. Ineos – based in Rolle, Switzerland – is exiting the business as a result of the closing, which will take place in the first quarter of 2015. “We regret having to take the decision to close our Barex plant and wind down the Barex business,” Ineos Barex president David Schmidt said in an Oct. 29 news release. “The business has been struggling financially for a number of years.” “We have worked diligently to reduce costs and improve profitability, but have been unsuccessful in turning around the business,” he added. “We will work with our customers and employees to ensure an orderly closure of the Barex business over the coming months.” A company spokesman said that as many as 50 jobs in Lima, Houston and Switzerland will be lost as a result of the move. Ineos plants in Lima making acrylonitrile and catalysts are not affected by the Barex move. Barex is often used as a barrier layer in packaging applications. The material was commercialized in 1975 by oil and gas firm Sohio, which later sold the business to British Petroleum plc, which then sold it to Ineos. At one point, PAN was seen as a competitor to PET in the bottle market, according to market analyst Peter Schmitt. Barex “is an excellent material for food, medical and pharmaceutical applications, though it has always been something of a specialty niche,” added Schmitt, who’s managing director of the Montesino Associates LLC consulting firm in Wilmington, Del. Schmitt also said that he believes the plastics industry in general “will hope that a suitor can be found to buy (the Barex plant) and avoid shuttering it.” “Perhaps a company other than Ineos is better equipped to work with a specialty product with small volumes,” he added. According to Schmitt, a major Barex application was packaging for Oscar Mayer-brand bologna made by Kraft Foods. As recently as May 2013, Ineos was trying to grow the Barex business. That month, it acquired the PAN business of Tokyo-based Mitsui Chemicals Inc. for an undisclosed price. That deal did not include Mitsui’s PAN plant in Nagoya, Japan. Link: http://www.plasticsnews.com/article/20141029/NEWS/141029713
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	@DrWatson Actually that comic was stored in my closet for about 20 years. Climate controlled. The comic itself doesn't show any visible signs of deterioration.
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	What type of bag and board did you use? I've got books going on 25 years stored (closet as well) and none of them have exhibited anything like that. There are in Mylar sleeves, acid free boards, and acid free boxes.
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	@DrWatson Not sure. They were purchased so long ago. I know that the bags were poly but I can't be 100% sure that the boards were acid free. They were purchased from a local comic shop many moons ago.
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	What do the pages look like?
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	@DrWatson Looks fine. About three years ago I re-bagged over half my collection in Egerber 4mil thick Mylars. I kinda wish I would've used the 2mil thick with full back backing boards, but I didn't.
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	That's still wild. Maybe someone else can elaborate on it.
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	20 years?... yeah, it's a poly bag and one of those thin cheapy boards that aren't even guaranteed to be acid free by the time you purchase them off the shelf. And those boards are notorious for absorbing a book's image. I'm going to presume the poly bag felt a little sticky, maybe. Those bags can off gas like crazy. Quote: Originally Posted by Despain @DrWatson Looks fine. About three years ago I re-bagged over half my collection in Egerber 4mil thick Mylars. I kinda wish I would've used the 2mil thick with full back backing boards, but I didn't. At least with the Egerber 4mil's you have high quality protection/preservation, but I do highly recommend the Mylites2/Fullbacks in a.... Pitch black room Temp set at 68-70 F Dehumidifier set at 50% My Golden Age books in particular will be taken out and given a breath of fresh air and placed in a new Mylites2/Fullback at least every 3 years and the Silver Age books about every 5 years,...regardless. It can be rather expensive too. Protect your 'Love and Passion' and 20 years later they will be loving you back! Protect your 'Investment' and 20 years later when you sell them off sparingly as a back-up 401K, they will wave bye while on their way to a new home and hand you back your investment + more!
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	@Pre_Coder The polybag wasn't sticky. Some of them may have been a bit milky in color. I always understood that if one uses Mylar that they don't have to be changed/replaced. The backing board, on the other hand, needs to be changed maybe seven/ten years.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Despain @Pre_Coder The polybag wasn't sticky. Some of them may have been a bit milky in color. I always understood that if one uses Mylar that they don't have to be changed/replaced. The backing board, on the other hand, needs to be changed maybe seven/ten years. Mylar claims to be a lifetime plastic - maybe, I don't know. The Fullbacks on the other hand are not going to last a lifetime (even with the carbonite filler) because that is where the main gas absorption is. When it comes time, I just make it a rule to replace the entire preservation of the comic.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year. That is awesome,... especially the PQ. About how old were these books? I do have one question,... if the backing board absorbed the "negative" image it was placed against, in your experience do you feel it had some impact on the book's color presentation? Just curious.
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	@Pre_Coder The backing board didn't absorb the negative image of the back side of the back cover. The strange thing is that the board absorbed the inside back cover image.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year. That is awesome,... especially the PQ. About how old were these books? I do have one question,... if the backing board absorbed the "negative" image it was placed against, in your experience do you feel it had some impact on the book's color presentation? Just curious. I did not see any degradation of color or gloss. I would have thought the pages would have been brown, maybe higher rates of foxing and ripples from moisture. The majority of books exhibited none of those issue. Some of the bags had melted together and when I cut the books out they were nice and fresh. So fresh, that the cover and the first wrap were slightly stuck together. I still have some of them in long boxes in my garage.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Despain @Pre_Coder The backing board didn't absorb the negative image of the back side of the back cover. The strange thing is that the board absorbed the inside back cover image. WOW! That's a new one on me. That is pretty strange. Anybody?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year. That is awesome,... especially the PQ. About how old were these books? I do have one question,... if the backing board absorbed the "negative" image it was placed against, in your experience do you feel it had some impact on the book's color presentation? Just curious. I did not see any degradation of color or gloss. I would have thought the pages would have been brown, maybe higher rates of foxing and ripples from moisture. The majority of books exhibited none of those issue. Some of the bags had melted together and when I cut the books out they were nice and fresh. So fresh, that the cover and the first wrap were slightly stuck together. I still have some of them in long boxes in my garage. In your garage?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year. That is awesome,... especially the PQ. About how old were these books? I do have one question,... if the backing board absorbed the "negative" image it was placed against, in your experience do you feel it had some impact on the book's color presentation? Just curious. I did not see any degradation of color or gloss. I would have thought the pages would have been brown, maybe higher rates of foxing and ripples from moisture. The majority of books exhibited none of those issue. Some of the bags had melted together and when I cut the books out they were nice and fresh. So fresh, that the cover and the first wrap were slightly stuck together. I still have some of them in long boxes in my garage. In your garage? Part of it is air conditioned.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson What do the pages look like? I have pulled hundreds of books from a Florida warehouse that had that "negative" image on the backing board from the comic. Many of those books came back with white pages. It was rare I received a CRM/OW book back. This all from an unconditioned warehouse that had to be over 100 degrees and humidity for 7 or more months a year. That is awesome,... especially the PQ. About how old were these books? I do have one question,... if the backing board absorbed the "negative" image it was placed against, in your experience do you feel it had some impact on the book's color presentation? Just curious. I did not see any degradation of color or gloss. I would have thought the pages would have been brown, maybe higher rates of foxing and ripples from moisture. The majority of books exhibited none of those issue. Some of the bags had melted together and when I cut the books out they were nice and fresh. So fresh, that the cover and the first wrap were slightly stuck together. I still have some of them in long boxes in my garage. In your garage? Part of it is air conditioned.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all. Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Despain Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Wow, there's no sealed inner sleeve at all. Is there microcchamber paper inside CBCS slabbed comics? Nope. The reason the micro chamber paper was in the cgc slabs was because of the Barex off-gassing. CBCS = no Barex = no micro chamber paper. Just wondering if those 2 plastic sheets covering the front and back of the book in the video is truly Mylar or Barex. The Barex plant shut down. That's why there's a new cgc holder to begin with: Ineos closing Barex plant, exiting business By: Frank Esposito October 29, 2014 Materials maker Ineos Group is closing its only global Barex-brand polyacrylonitrile (PAN) resin plant in Lima, Ohio. Ineos – based in Rolle, Switzerland – is exiting the business as a result of the closing, which will take place in the first quarter of 2015. “We regret having to take the decision to close our Barex plant and wind down the Barex business,” Ineos Barex president David Schmidt said in an Oct. 29 news release. “The business has been struggling financially for a number of years.” “We have worked diligently to reduce costs and improve profitability, but have been unsuccessful in turning around the business,” he added. “We will work with our customers and employees to ensure an orderly closure of the Barex business over the coming months.” A company spokesman said that as many as 50 jobs in Lima, Houston and Switzerland will be lost as a result of the move. Ineos plants in Lima making acrylonitrile and catalysts are not affected by the Barex move. Barex is often used as a barrier layer in packaging applications. The material was commercialized in 1975 by oil and gas firm Sohio, which later sold the business to British Petroleum plc, which then sold it to Ineos. At one point, PAN was seen as a competitor to PET in the bottle market, according to market analyst Peter Schmitt. Barex “is an excellent material for food, medical and pharmaceutical applications, though it has always been something of a specialty niche,” added Schmitt, who’s managing director of the Montesino Associates LLC consulting firm in Wilmington, Del. Schmitt also said that he believes the plastics industry in general “will hope that a suitor can be found to buy (the Barex plant) and avoid shuttering it.” “Perhaps a company other than Ineos is better equipped to work with a specialty product with small volumes,” he added. According to Schmitt, a major Barex application was packaging for Oscar Mayer-brand bologna made by Kraft Foods. As recently as May 2013, Ineos was trying to grow the Barex business. That month, it acquired the PAN business of Tokyo-based Mitsui Chemicals Inc. for an undisclosed price. That deal did not include Mitsui’s PAN plant in Nagoya, Japan. Link: http://www.plasticsnews.com/article/20141029/NEWS/141029713 Thank you for the read.
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	Poly bags yuck. Only good for 2 or 3 years temporary storage. When I left comics in 92 I placed my silver books in a mylite then placed a backing board on the outside and then slipped both into a stiff thick Mylar. Sticky tape the Mylar shut and placed in a old beer cardboard box and into a cupboard. And moved residence a few times whilst living in Brisbane Australia. A sub tropical climate with high humidity. Pulled the books out and looked at them in 2004 when I got back into comics. Sent books into cgc and was getting white page PQ on books that had white pages when I originally sealed them up in 92
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	Oh yeah and the mylites I used still to this day look like they were just manufactured. Climate control would be good but having them placed in the mylite and keep that board away from directly touching the book is the best for long time storage
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Despain @DrWatson Actually that comic was stored in my closet for about 20 years. Climate controlled. The comic itself doesn't show any visible signs of deterioration. Ive seen that on many boards, and the book itself is not affected in any way. It's the composition of the board that makes this happen. It's really an interesting phenomenon.
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	Post #100: Bottom line, CGC would be wise to put the new holder design on hold and seek other solutions if they have a plan "B" in place. There are just too many issues with the new product. The new holder just doesn't appear to be ready for prime time. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but customer complaints and the now discontinued old holder option leaves very little wiggle room. I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction. Some folks really like the new holder design, but wave, ring and label criticisms currently dominate discussions over in Harry Potterville. So, is everyone having a nice day in Voldemortland?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages* of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.* Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages* of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.* Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards? Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica I'm not suggesting that the situation is dire, but after 175 pages* of mixed opinions the complaints are starting to outweigh satisfaction.* Did you copy and paste from the cgc boards? Nope, there's enough to worry about with fig newtons, wavy beans and a super sized box. Why add paste to the recipe? I read your post on the cgc boards. It was four times as long as the one here. Tiny blessings.
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	More waves. Click to make it bigger. Thanks to Ditch Fahrenheit
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	No well. No seams. Equals book movement: Click for bigger.
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