What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

Originally Posted by PovRow
I joined the CGC boards in 2002. I joined the CBCS boards the day they were available. I also have both CGC and CBCS encapsulated books in my collection. I am not sure WHAT that makes me, besides somewhat lacking a life.

Originally Posted by VintageComics
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I thought Bob made his point when he talked about grading standards and an easy to spot Restored label.

I took it as him saying that these two points were more important to him than name brand.

In looking back I will agree... "loose grading" and "lousy Restored label". It was said so cast aside in comparison to the rest I basically missed it.

It was a typical 'good Bob, bad Bob' post.

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Originally Posted by matterus023
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On a "loose", "tight' grading subject.

What does that actually mean? I saw an episode of Comic Book Men where they had a CGC rep doing an on site grading. From what I understood of the process, every time they find something, they take it down a point from 10. Now I know this isn't exactly true because of my notes from books I got back. Some had less things marked but got a lower grade. Mind you, as a casual collector, anything over 9.0 on a modern to me is great. I can get great deals from a 9.4 compared to a 9.8 and sitting on a shelf, they both look great.

Once in a comic store, a guy came in with a huge stack of EC books. They looked cool but I could tell they were in rough shape. When offered a low price for them, the guy said they should be more because they were old. The store owner said "Even if they are old, because of their condition, it would take me forever t sell them. Nobody wants a ripped up book. I could sell a 1,000 Near Mint book faster then it would take to sell these". So I get, for resale why there is a big deal from a 9.8 to a 9.6 for dealers so wouldn't you want to have your book graded by someone who does it "looser"? Just asking, not accusing anyone of doing either.

I think I also remember reading somewhere that CGC does grade lighter on older books because of their rarity and how old they are. Does CBCS do the same thing?

From my minimal understanding there are many games at play with this. You can argue that a looser grade will get you more money from the more amateur market who tend to buy the grade more than the comic. More experienced buyers seem to buy the comic not the grade and judge for themselves how others may perceive the grade. But then you can arugue it won't make you as much as just mentioned people will eventually lose faith in the grading of x company and people will pay say a 9.4 price for a 9.6 graded comic.

To me the best thing with grading is a free check of say resto, conservation etc which many can't spot easily or at all. Plus if you are immoral you can make far more selling raw. The amount of times I see a raw comic sell for way more than it should just because the person listed say as NM. Here is a great example of this. If this is someone's listing on here then you either need to work on your grading or take a long hard look in the mirror and stop using the fact that many people are new to comics and maybe slightly more naive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-5-Oct-1963-Marvel-VF-NM-AUCTION-PERSONAL-COLLECTION-/281999894674?hash=item41a880e892%3Ag%3AeHkAAOSw8RJXCtHp&nma=true&si=w0LK379hoy5zZ23rqs0PpN5ALxQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If that isn't allowed I apologise in advance

Ok, so I see, what looks like stress on the spine, and the edges are a little jagged. He does say VF/NM, so wouldn't this be a VF. That is a lot of money for that book in VF.

When trying to purchase raw on ebay, should I trust the picture or only buy slabbed on ebay?

Sorry for being off topic. I am really learning a lot here but I will try to get back on topic quickly.

First please look at the back. Have a sick bucket by stand by though :-)

oh my gosh!!!!!

Is that mold. holy c**p. That's horrible looking. I wouldn't pay that much for that book, no way.

Originally Posted by VintageComics
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Originally Posted by blazingbob
I am not sure why I should jump ship over to CBCS just because "We've got Steve Borock".

Seriously, Bob? You're saying CBCS is claiming that "just because" they have Borock people should use them? That's it. No other reason. Nothing to do with materials. Or turn around times. Or cost. Just that "We've got Steve Borock".

IIRC, wasn't this part of CBCS' early marketing, said slightly tongue in cheek? Are the quotation marks around it for that reason?

Yeah, Michael even said that exact phrase in his Moment Of Clarity post. But Bob saying "I am not sure why I should jump ship over to CBCS just because "We've got Steve Borock"." basically ignores anything different about CBCS except that they have Borock. That "just because" of his sounds very disingenuous.

I thought Bob made his point when he talked about grading standards and an easy to spot Restored label.

I took it as him saying that these two points were more important to him than name brand.

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
I would like CBCS to use a different style label for restored books. I understand that it says restored in bold-face under the grade, but a different color label or some kind of marking would help differentiate it a little more.

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
It would definitely help the people who don't read the labels.

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Originally Posted by roarzola
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Originally Posted by matterus023
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Originally Posted by roarzola
On a "loose", "tight' grading subject.

What does that actually mean? I saw an episode of Comic Book Men where they had a CGC rep doing an on site grading. From what I understood of the process, every time they find something, they take it down a point from 10. Now I know this isn't exactly true because of my notes from books I got back. Some had less things marked but got a lower grade. Mind you, as a casual collector, anything over 9.0 on a modern to me is great. I can get great deals from a 9.4 compared to a 9.8 and sitting on a shelf, they both look great.

Once in a comic store, a guy came in with a huge stack of EC books. They looked cool but I could tell they were in rough shape. When offered a low price for them, the guy said they should be more because they were old. The store owner said "Even if they are old, because of their condition, it would take me forever t sell them. Nobody wants a ripped up book. I could sell a 1,000 Near Mint book faster then it would take to sell these". So I get, for resale why there is a big deal from a 9.8 to a 9.6 for dealers so wouldn't you want to have your book graded by someone who does it "looser"? Just asking, not accusing anyone of doing either.

I think I also remember reading somewhere that CGC does grade lighter on older books because of their rarity and how old they are. Does CBCS do the same thing?

From my minimal understanding there are many games at play with this. You can argue that a looser grade will get you more money from the more amateur market who tend to buy the grade more than the comic. More experienced buyers seem to buy the comic not the grade and judge for themselves how others may perceive the grade. But then you can arugue it won't make you as much as just mentioned people will eventually lose faith in the grading of x company and people will pay say a 9.4 price for a 9.6 graded comic.

To me the best thing with grading is a free check of say resto, conservation etc which many can't spot easily or at all. Plus if you are immoral you can make far more selling raw. The amount of times I see a raw comic sell for way more than it should just because the person listed say as NM. Here is a great example of this. If this is someone's listing on here then you either need to work on your grading or take a long hard look in the mirror and stop using the fact that many people are new to comics and maybe slightly more naive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-5-Oct-1963-Marvel-VF-NM-AUCTION-PERSONAL-COLLECTION-/281999894674?hash=item41a880e892%3Ag%3AeHkAAOSw8RJXCtHp&nma=true&si=w0LK379hoy5zZ23rqs0PpN5ALxQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If that isn't allowed I apologise in advance

Ok, so I see, what looks like stress on the spine, and the edges are a little jagged. He does say VF/NM, so wouldn't this be a VF. That is a lot of money for that book in VF.

When trying to purchase raw on ebay, should I trust the picture or only buy slabbed on ebay?

Sorry for being off topic. I am really learning a lot here but I will try to get back on topic quickly.

First please look at the back. Have a sick bucket by stand by though :-)

oh my gosh!!!!!

Is that mold. holy c**p. That's horrible looking. I wouldn't pay that much for that book, no way.

That seller has been discussed at CGC previously.

allducksinarow

Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton

This is exactly what people have been complaining about for years. Many believe that colored labels unfairly stigmatize restored books, and that's why CBCS went with the labels they did.

Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton

Seriously? If you don't read the label, you get what you deserve.

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley

I don't know Bob, so it's hard to put stock into him. I'll have to take your word on that.

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
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Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
I don't agree with loose grading claims. I've seen inconsistent grading at times from both CGC and CBCS. A little more from CGC but only lately and on more modern books.

Whenever I read something I always try to consider the source.

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Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley

I only got back into comics a few years ago when I had some time on shore, so I got into the graded comics thing later.

Long story short, Bob may be a CGC charter member but he's a straight shooter. He's been in comics for decades and he's well known for his ability to grade accurately.

I take a lot more stock when someone experienced speaks than when someone that is new back into comics does about grading experience. Even if you knew how to grade decades ago, the landscape has changed in the last 15 years.

I don't know Bob, so it's hard to put stock into him.

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
I don't agree with loose grading claims. I've seen inconsistent grading at times from both CGC and CBCS. A little more from CGC but only lately and on more modern books.
I would like CBCS to use a different style label for restored books. I understand that it says restored in bold-face under the grade, but a different color label or some kind of marking would help differentiate it a little more. It would definitely help the people who don't read the labels.
I only got back into comics a few years ago when I had some time on shore, so I got into the graded comics thing later. I feel no loyalty to one company over another. I go with who I feel is doing a better job. And right now, it's not the place in Sarasota.