What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

Originally Posted by matterus023
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Originally Posted by roarzola
On a "loose", "tight' grading subject.

What does that actually mean? I saw an episode of Comic Book Men where they had a CGC rep doing an on site grading. From what I understood of the process, every time they find something, they take it down a point from 10. Now I know this isn't exactly true because of my notes from books I got back. Some had less things marked but got a lower grade. Mind you, as a casual collector, anything over 9.0 on a modern to me is great. I can get great deals from a 9.4 compared to a 9.8 and sitting on a shelf, they both look great.

Once in a comic store, a guy came in with a huge stack of EC books. They looked cool but I could tell they were in rough shape. When offered a low price for them, the guy said they should be more because they were old. The store owner said "Even if they are old, because of their condition, it would take me forever t sell them. Nobody wants a ripped up book. I could sell a 1,000 Near Mint book faster then it would take to sell these". So I get, for resale why there is a big deal from a 9.8 to a 9.6 for dealers so wouldn't you want to have your book graded by someone who does it "looser"? Just asking, not accusing anyone of doing either.

I think I also remember reading somewhere that CGC does grade lighter on older books because of their rarity and how old they are. Does CBCS do the same thing?

From my minimal understanding there are many games at play with this. You can argue that a looser grade will get you more money from the more amateur market who tend to buy the grade more than the comic. More experienced buyers seem to buy the comic not the grade and judge for themselves how others may perceive the grade. But then you can arugue it won't make you as much as just mentioned people will eventually lose faith in the grading of x company and people will pay say a 9.4 price for a 9.6 graded comic.

To me the best thing with grading is a free check of say resto, conservation etc which many can't spot easily or at all. Plus if you are immoral you can make far more selling raw. The amount of times I see a raw comic sell for way more than it should just because the person listed say as NM. Here is a great example of this. If this is someone's listing on here then you either need to work on your grading or take a long hard look in the mirror and stop using the fact that many people are new to comics and maybe slightly more naive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-5-Oct-1963-Marvel-VF-NM-AUCTION-PERSONAL-COLLECTION-/281999894674?hash=item41a880e892%3Ag%3AeHkAAOSw8RJXCtHp&nma=true&si=w0LK379hoy5zZ23rqs0PpN5ALxQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If that isn't allowed I apologise in advance

Originally Posted by matterus023
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Originally Posted by roarzola
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Originally Posted by matterus023
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Originally Posted by roarzola
On a "loose", "tight' grading subject.

What does that actually mean? I saw an episode of Comic Book Men where they had a CGC rep doing an on site grading. From what I understood of the process, every time they find something, they take it down a point from 10. Now I know this isn't exactly true because of my notes from books I got back. Some had less things marked but got a lower grade. Mind you, as a casual collector, anything over 9.0 on a modern to me is great. I can get great deals from a 9.4 compared to a 9.8 and sitting on a shelf, they both look great.

Once in a comic store, a guy came in with a huge stack of EC books. They looked cool but I could tell they were in rough shape. When offered a low price for them, the guy said they should be more because they were old. The store owner said "Even if they are old, because of their condition, it would take me forever t sell them. Nobody wants a ripped up book. I could sell a 1,000 Near Mint book faster then it would take to sell these". So I get, for resale why there is a big deal from a 9.8 to a 9.6 for dealers so wouldn't you want to have your book graded by someone who does it "looser"? Just asking, not accusing anyone of doing either.

I think I also remember reading somewhere that CGC does grade lighter on older books because of their rarity and how old they are. Does CBCS do the same thing?

From my minimal understanding there are many games at play with this. You can argue that a looser grade will get you more money from the more amateur market who tend to buy the grade more than the comic. More experienced buyers seem to buy the comic not the grade and judge for themselves how others may perceive the grade. But then you can arugue it won't make you as much as just mentioned people will eventually lose faith in the grading of x company and people will pay say a 9.4 price for a 9.6 graded comic.

To me the best thing with grading is a free check of say resto, conservation etc which many can't spot easily or at all. Plus if you are immoral you can make far more selling raw. The amount of times I see a raw comic sell for way more than it should just because the person listed say as NM. Here is a great example of this. If this is someone's listing on here then you either need to work on your grading or take a long hard look in the mirror and stop using the fact that many people are new to comics and maybe slightly more naive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-5-Oct-1963-Marvel-VF-NM-AUCTION-PERSONAL-COLLECTION-/281999894674?hash=item41a880e892%3Ag%3AeHkAAOSw8RJXCtHp&nma=true&si=w0LK379hoy5zZ23rqs0PpN5ALxQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

If that isn't allowed I apologise in advance

Ok, so I see, what looks like stress on the spine, and the edges are a little jagged. He does say VF/NM, so wouldn't this be a VF. That is a lot of money for that book in VF.

When trying to purchase raw on ebay, should I trust the picture or only buy slabbed on ebay?

Sorry for being off topic. I am really learning a lot here but I will try to get back on topic quickly.

First please look at the back. Have a sick bucket by stand by though :-)

Originally Posted by roarzola
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Originally Posted by matterus023
roarzola unfortunately I see many like these for sale. WAY overgraded. Some may be because the seller themsleves genuinley have no idea. But then don't assign a grade. Just put up loads of pictures

I know you should protect yourself when buying. I get that. But many on here would of messed up at the start and I bet all of them aren't naturally naive people.

Like you say we are going off topic though. Send me a message if you like. Happy to talk comics at all times :-)

At SDCC, I saw a raw book and there was a sticker on it that said NM/M. I asked about the price and he said it Near Mint. Bought it and walked it right over to CGC to be graded. It came back as a 9.0 and from my understanding, anything in the 9's is a NM/M, so if that is correct, he wasn't lying. It just looked better to me that a 9. I have realized with that book and others that have come back, I can not grade a book worth squat. So I have to rely on other people's opinion on what they think it is. It is a little frighting to be spending my hard earned money on such a gamble. Unless I buy slabbed, which is more expensive. I guess I just keep taking that chance.

Thanks for your advice, I will always remember to check to see if there is a picture of the back of the book now.

Originally Posted by VintageComics
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Originally Posted by roarzola
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Originally Posted by matterus023
roarzola unfortunately I see many like these for sale. WAY overgraded. Some may be because the seller themsleves genuinley have no idea. But then don't assign a grade. Just put up loads of pictures

I know you should protect yourself when buying. I get that. But many on here would of messed up at the start and I bet all of them aren't naturally naive people.

Like you say we are going off topic though. Send me a message if you like. Happy to talk comics at all times :-)

At SDCC, I saw a raw book and there was a sticker on it that said NM/M. I asked about the price and he said it Near Mint. Bought it and walked it right over to CGC to be graded. It came back as a 9.0 and from my understanding, anything in the 9's is a NM/M, so if that is correct, he wasn't lying. It just looked better to me that a 9. I have realized with that book and others that have come back, I can not grade a book worth squat. So I have to rely on other people's opinion on what they think it is. It is a little frighting to be spending my hard earned money on such a gamble. Unless I buy slabbed, which is more expensive. I guess I just keep taking that chance.

Thanks for your advice, I will always remember to check to see if there is a picture of the back of the book now.

There's a reason certified books are more expensive. You generally get what you pay for.

If you want to buy raw books then you at the very least need to buy from reputable people.

That doesn't mean their 9.4 will always be a CGC or CBCS 9.4 but it will be closer than someone who has no idea.

Or just buy certified books

Originally Posted by VillageIdiot
"Blazing BoB" is a CGC acolyte...bottom line. Has been for many years now.

Originally Posted by blazingbob
Well, would the same CBCS defenders be using CBCS if Steve wasn't part owner/working there?

Would the buddies be putting the same level of effort into the posts if it was a group of guys nobody knew? No offense to Wes but would he command the same level of support?

Steve brings integrity to the business name. He worked for CGC, he has experience in being a head grader at the original comic grading company. He was part of the design, startup and marketing of the company.

Without him does CBCS even get started?

Originally Posted by matterus023

Or if they are off by a grade point they will also work with you on this.

Originally Posted by VillageIdiot
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Originally Posted by The_Watcher
@VillageIdiot I understand that this is a heated topic, but let's keep it civil. No need for things to get out of control and force moderation to step in

I apologize for my fervor, Watcher. You were there as well, a long time ago

Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton
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Originally Posted by PovRow
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Originally Posted by blazingbob
I am not sure why I should jump ship over to CBCS just because "We've got Steve Borock".

Seriously, Bob? You're saying CBCS is claiming that "just because" they have Borock people should use them? That's it. No other reason. Nothing to do with materials. Or turn around times. Or cost. Just that "We've got Steve Borock".

IIRC, wasn't this part of CBCS' early marketing, said slightly tongue in cheek? Are the quotation marks around it for that reason?