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What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelon In my opinion CGC has always had a certain level of pompous attitude. They show, what I can only call, a casual disrespect for smaller dollar customers. Friendliness goes a long way, and from what I've seen at their convention tables over the years, it's something sorely lacking. A substandard product seems only natural. That disrespect extends to what certain posters are allowed to get away with on their forum.
	9 years ago	Post 276 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover?
	9 years ago	Post 277 • IP flag post

CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.99K	3.99K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover? If stored properly, the short answer is no.
	9 years ago	Post 278 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC. I'm sure Steve is not the type of person who gloats over people's failures. But CGC imo from things I have read/heard etc come across as very elitist. Ok I will re phrase. I can't speak for CBCS but if I was in their situation and my feelings about CGC are accurate I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them at all.
	9 years ago	Post 279 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover? If stored properly, the short answer is no. If it is left in direct sunlight does the area the newton ring covers fade differently?
	9 years ago	Post 280 • IP flag post

If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Why would you leave it in direct sunlight? I don't think it would fade any differently as it isn't a solid entity. It's a bending of light based on contact.
	9 years ago	Post 281 • IP flag post

CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.99K	3.99K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover? If stored properly, the short answer is no. If it is left in direct sunlight does the area the newton ring covers fade differently? It is possible since the light is not as refracted, but the degree would be minimal. This is nothing but speculation on my part.
	9 years ago	Post 282 • IP flag post

CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.99K	3.99K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC. I'm sure Steve is not the type of person who gloats over people's failures. But CGC imo from things I have read/heard etc come across as very elitist. Ok I will re phrase. I can't speak for CBCS but if I was in their situation and my feelings about CGC are accurate I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them at all. In this case all CBCS had to do it sit back and watch, the competition is really doing the rest. CGC's stance has prompted a reply from people at the top now, so it looks like CBCS has joined the fray.
	9 years ago	Post 283 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC. I'm sure Steve is not the type of person who gloats over people's failures. But CGC imo from things I have read/heard etc come across as very elitist. Ok I will re phrase. I can't speak for CBCS but if I was in their situation and my feelings about CGC are accurate I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them at all. In this case all CBCS had to do it sit back and watch, the competition is really doing the rest. CGC's stance has prompted a reply from people at the top now, so it looks like CBCS has joined the fray. Time will tell on just how much the current situation at CGC will effect both companies. On a side note I must sit down and check this forum out more. Always looking to further my knowledge
	9 years ago	Post 284 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC. I'm sure Steve is not the type of person who gloats over people's failures. But CGC imo from things I have read/heard etc come across as very elitist. Ok I will re phrase. I can't speak for CBCS but if I was in their situation and my feelings about CGC are accurate I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them at all. I don't know Steve from Adam, but I'm sure this is true. And it would be a shame for all the CGC employees not responsible for this fiasco to suffer if things actually do go bad. But I highly doubt they'll fall apart over there. Unfortunately for them, CBCS can sit back and take note of all the mishaps, perhaps saving time and money in pointless R&D, even though it appears they already have the end product they wanted. I only had one CBCS slab, and I thought it was just fine. Opened very easily, while at the same time demonstrating its tamper-proof properties.
	9 years ago	Post 285 • IP flag post

Collector 841	841 Jeremy_K private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	that picture is terrifying
	9 years ago	Post 286 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Why would you leave it in direct sunlight? I don't think it would fade any differently as it isn't a solid entity. It's a bending of light based on contact. Tis a good point. If you do and something does happen then you are just confirming Darwin's theories lol Only messing about here
	9 years ago	Post 287 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 1.96K	1.96K Wolverine private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I've had a few books done through CGC and its kinda disheartening how they treat the whole process. I mean i get it. It's a business when all is said and done but it's like there all robots. I talked to a few of them at FanExpoCanada last year and none of them even read comics or could care about them and I was like Why are you even in this industry then?
	9 years ago	Post 288 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Wolverine I've had a few books done through CGC and its kinda disheartening how they treat the whole process. I mean i get it. It's a business when all is said and done but it's like there all robots. I talked to a few of them at FanExpoCanada last year and none of them even read comics or could care about them and I was like Why are you even in this industry then? This is a good point. Now I have to hold my hands up and admit I soley got into comics for financial gain. My first child was born 4 years ago and I wanted a way to make a little extra. Well I bought a few walking dead comics as I liked the show and well.... the bug got me. In general collecting to me is fun. Over time I started to appreciate some of the covers more than anything. So I found myslef finding it harder and harder to part with certain 'investments' which is all they were to me at the time. But now I enjoy both sides of it. The invesments side but also everything that comes with the collector side of comics. The art, some of the stories ( I am trying to read more). But with a company like CGC or CBCS I would want them to be crazy passionate about comics in all aspects. I don't mind those who just buy to sell I really don't. If you are doing it in a honest way and not cracking restored copies and selling as unrestored etc etc then go for it. What ever makes you happy. But if this side of comics was left to it then the whole market would eventually die. It is the real fans that keep this all going. Being in something for just money can keep you in the game for only so long as it becomes stale and robotic. Customers want to see and hear the passion of a company they are dealing with. From what I have heard again this is what CBCS are all about. Sorry btw for my boring rant. I can't help myself at times.
	9 years ago	Post 289 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Btw I feel this video shows exactly why CGC are having the issues they are. By now most of us have an understanding of the internal workings of the slabs. This shows that without a complete change certain issues are here to stay (imo) http://the-comic-book-forum.boards.net/thread/255/open-new-cgc-case?page=1&scrollTo=1982 Hope me linking this is fine
	9 years ago	Post 290 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Why would you leave it in direct sunlight? I don't think it would fade any differently as it isn't a solid entity. It's a bending of light based on contact. Was attempting to ask if the rings caused a different fade on the cover than the surrounding area that doesn't have them. Lots of comic stores have key issue walls that are exposed to sunlight. I wouldn't want spots on the book if it had to be cracked open and the rings caused issues. Hope that helps.
	9 years ago	Post 291 • IP flag post

Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Wolverine I've had a few books done through CGC and its kinda disheartening how they treat the whole process. I mean i get it. It's a business when all is said and done but it's like there all robots. I talked to a few of them at FanExpoCanada last year and none of them even read comics or could care about them and I was like Why are you even in this industry then? You are in for a rude awakening.
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by Wolverine I've had a few books done through CGC and its kinda disheartening how they treat the whole process. I mean i get it. It's a business when all is said and done but it's like there all robots. I talked to a few of them at FanExpoCanada last year and none of them even read comics or could care about them and I was like Why are you even in this industry then? You are in for a rude awakening. I wouldn't say that, exactly. The majority of people in comic books started as fans before they decided to make a living out of it. I guess the biggest difference is when your recuiting pool is people who need a job so they can have beer money.
	9 years ago	Post 293 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I saw posts of recent shipments with new holders. 3 or 4 books were crooked in the case. Saw another post showing before images (CGC's scan) and after images (customer's pic after delivery). Looks like the book shifted in the case.
	9 years ago	Post 294 • IP flag post

Collector 298	298 stophmaster private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Looks like the book shifted in the case. That's not gonna end well...
	9 years ago	Post 295 • IP flag post

Collector 826	826 Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Another day passes with a variety of issues with the holder, yet no response from CGC. This might be the most alarming thing if all.
	8 years ago	Post 296 • IP flag post

Collector 445	445 roarzola private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I was looking to purchase a Rom #1 off ebay last night and taking a close look at some of the ones in the new case, I could see very small errors. One of them had, flapping, I think it is called, when all the pages are seen on the side edge. Luckily I found one in an older case and hopefully it will be in my hands soon.
	8 years ago	Post 297 • IP flag post

Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by roarzola I was looking to purchase a Rom #1 off ebay last night and taking a close look at some of the ones in the new case, I could see very small errors. One of them had, flapping, I think it is called, when all the pages are seen on the side edge. Luckily I found one in an older case and hopefully it will be in my hands soon. Fanning. I haven't heard of the new holders causing this.
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Beaten by boat oars 51.57K	51.57K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by roarzola I was looking to purchase a Rom #1 off ebay last night and taking a close look at some of the ones in the new case, I could see very small errors. One of them had, flapping, I think it is called, when all the pages are seen on the side edge. Luckily I found one in an older case and hopefully it will be in my hands soon. Fanning. I haven't heard of the new holders causing this. I have one that is wavy and fanned as well. I might have posted pics earlier in the thread. The waves seem to be fairly common, the fanning, I don't know. I am going off my experience in regards to that.
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Collector 6K	6K jsilverjanet private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS I saw posts of recent shipments with new holders. 3 or 4 books were crooked in the case. Saw another post showing before images (CGC's scan) and after images (customer's pic after delivery). Looks like the book shifted in the case. Can you provide links/pics?
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Collector 1.36K	1.36K The_Curmudgeon private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stelbert_Stylton Quote: Originally Posted by roarzola I was looking to purchase a Rom #1 off ebay last night and taking a close look at some of the ones in the new case, I could see very small errors. One of them had, flapping, I think it is called, when all the pages are seen on the side edge. Luckily I found one in an older case and hopefully it will be in my hands soon. Fanning. I haven't heard of the new holders causing this. I think he means "fanning."
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Collector 1.03K	1.03K Maverick private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Not so sure id be happy if i got this slab. Still a beautiful book but it looks shifted to me with some fanning going on. ASM 129
	8 years ago	Post 302 • IP flag post

Collector 61	61 crossedfan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	How does the new buyer feel?
	8 years ago	Post 303 • IP flag post

Collector 1.54K	1.54K D84 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Maverick Not so sure id be happy if i got this slab. Still a beautiful book but it looks shifted to me with some fanning going on. ASM 129 Wow! I'd be angry if I got that back from CGC.
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Collector 1.03K	1.03K Maverick private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by D84 Quote: Originally Posted by Maverick Not so sure id be happy if i got this slab. Still a beautiful book but it looks shifted to me with some fanning going on. ASM 129 Wow! I'd be angry if I got that back from CGC. I suppose its impossible to say whats really going on without pre encapsulation photos. Definitely crooked though.
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