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What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Neoheroka I mailed off my first book to CBCS today. It will be for resale. One of the major deciding factors in choosing CBCS is the current holder problems with CGC.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot I cannot be alone in the thought that the current CGC executive management is seemingly either incapable of rigoris and knowledgeable leadership regarding corporate R&D protocol, or completely incompetent of it. Either is just as bad. I cannot fathom how this kind of economic and creative "mistake" is produced on this level? its stunning in its failure. Consider if CGC was an automobile manufacturer. This kind of fail is akin to rolling out the new company standard barer to showrooms, only to discover the car actually has numerous flaws to its overall functionality. That would be in both mechanical and aesthetic areas. One might never recover from that kind of @#$% up A car like this?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	That looks like a car designed by committee.
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder It appears the waviness problem may become an even bigger problem. Some books that submitters have received back from CGC that are flat inside the slab are developing waves after a period of time. Very concerning! Holy Ruffles have ridges, Batman!
	9 years ago	Post 254 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 26.82K	26.82K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@CFP_Comics
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder It appears the waviness problem may become an even bigger problem. Some books that submitters have received back from CGC that are flat inside the slab are developing waves after a period of time. Very concerning! Holy Ruffles have ridges, Batman! A cluster fiasco. (insert face palm here) How are wavy books consumed? ...With price dip.
	9 years ago	Post 256 • IP flag post

Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Just read some more of that "New slab" thread over at the CGC boards. Lord, its a real, unmitigated, train wreck of a release. I actually find this all a bit sad in many ways. I still remember my first submissions to CGC in July of 2000 sent to the original, Parsippany, NJ address. This current CGC fiasco is a fantastic example of chaos mathematics.
	9 years ago	Post 257 • IP flag post

Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I wonder if CGC really sees this as a fiasco or if it's just isolated to the forum people. Do you think lots of non forum people are complaining about it? I could be wrong but I wonder if all the noise is just from us (a small % of the buying public).
	9 years ago	Post 258 • IP flag post

Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Quote: Originally Posted by Marc_1 I wonder if CGC really sees this as a fiasco or if it's just isolated to the forum people. Do you think lots of non forum people are complaining about it? I could be wrong but I wonder if all the noise is just from us (a small % of the buying public). A lot of people read the forums who never post, so the audience is larger than you might expect. That and the Douglas Adams quote, "Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws."
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	Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC.
	9 years ago	Post 261 • IP flag post

Collector 187	187 Evangelon private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	In my opinion CGC has always had a certain level of pompous attitude. They show, what I can only call, a casual disrespect for smaller dollar customers. Friendliness goes a long way, and from what I've seen at their convention tables over the years, it's something sorely lacking. A substandard product seems only natural.
	9 years ago	Post 262 • IP flag post

Collector 445	445 roarzola private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelon In my opinion CGC has always had a certain level of pompous attitude. They show, what I can only call, a casual disrespect for smaller dollar customers. Friendliness goes a long way, and from what I've seen at their convention tables over the years, it's something sorely lacking. A substandard product seems only natural. I have to kinda agree with you on this. I am new to this "grading" thing. I have bought graded books but have submitted maybe 15 myself. 5 of which were to cbc. The first time was at the comic con and I submitted 4 books. The lady behind the table seemed rushed, annoyed to answer any questions and just filled out the form for me and I put the personal info down. Later I found out she had checked boxes on the form to get the books pressed then sent to be graded. I didn't even know what pressing meant until I called to inquire about the status. They told me it was taking longer because of Pressing. Next incident, I sent another 5 books in and they were sent to the wrong PO Box (their fault, the form had the correct address ). I kept waiting for them to show up, and with a 65 day turn around, I didn't question a few extra weeks to arrive. Finally, I went to the post office and they sent them back because nobody claimed it. I called CGC and they said when they get them back, they will put on the correct address and reship it, get this, free of charge. I said the "free of charge was expected, because it wasn't my fault, but is there any compensation for the extra month I had to wait?". Nope, none. His attitude was very "oh, well". Now, I don't judge a company on the actions of an employee but this was two for two. Top that off with, at the time, a estimated turnaround of 20 days but their current was 65 with no recognition or offering to help ease the customer's inconvenience. If I buy a meal in a drive thru, some restaurant will credit you some of the cost if they exceed a certain amount of time to deliver. Domino's did it years ago with their "Discount for Late Pizza" policy. Where in another business transaction is this acceptable. If an contractor failed to complete a construction project on schedule, I could penalize him the cost or take him to court. Now, throw this whole new Holder issue in and it makes me wonder. If they were just starting out, and didn't have the backing of a huge customer base from over the years, would they be in business.
	9 years ago	Post 263 • IP flag post

Collector 31	31 Chubbyfresh77 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case.
	9 years ago	Post 264 • IP flag post

Collector 313	313 Marc_1 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	You don't know that the book will be damaged at all. That is speculation.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. That looks like a lot of pressure against the staple. If you ever crack it out it would be interesting to see if the staple pushed through the cover, or if some color rubbed onto the Mylar sheet.
	9 years ago	Post 266 • IP flag post

Collector 31	31 Chubbyfresh77 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Marc_1 You don't know that the book will be damaged at all. That is speculation. If you look at the curvature of the pressure it is from the inner staple. It is hard to get a picture of but it looks like staple wear from pressure on the cover with possible faint color break.
	9 years ago	Post 267 • IP flag post

Collector 826	826 Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by Marc_1 You don't know that the book will be damaged at all. That is speculation. While this is may be true, why risk it?
	9 years ago	Post 268 • IP flag post

Collector 313	313 GradedKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	There are some things I like about the new CGC case. Mostly, I like that the sticker on the top is now gone. I've seen way to many of the sickers starting to peel off from people handling them at conventions. I also like that the numerical grade is darker, but I agree with what a lot of you are saying. I think they made it too big and "too loud". I know that's what you want to notice on a label, but I feel like they went a little overboard. If they had made it darker, but kept it the same size, I don't think it would be as much of a distraction. I like the new font they used on the header of the label too. It makes it look a little more modern. Some thing I don't like are that the "oil slick" effect is still there. With all of the R&D CGC has done, I thought for sure that was something that they would be able to fix. It's distracting and takes away some of the appeal of the comic. I also don't like their lack of any new information on the back of the label. It rehashes all of the information that's already on the front and is a waste of useful space.
	9 years ago	Post 269 • IP flag post

Collector 1.09K	1.09K Stelbert_Stylton private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelon In my opinion CGC has always had a certain level of pompous attitude. They show, what I can only call, a casual disrespect for smaller dollar customers. CGC has been like that since Day One sixteen years ago. The arrogance of some of the things they pulled/tried to pull is mind-numbing.
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Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Manufactured woald?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.36K	54.36K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I just heard that the cgc is raising prices for onsite grading from $25 to $30 for moderns.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I just heard that the cgc is raising prices for onsite grading from $25 to $30 for moderns. I just heard the same thing.
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Collector 61	61 crossedfan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Hey, I am new to the boards and new to CBCS. I was wondering if newton rings are an issue with CBCS graded books.
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Collector 445	445 roarzola private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by crossedfan Hey, I am new to the boards and new to CBCS. I was wondering if newton rings are an issue with CBCS graded books. Glad to have you. Got some catching up to do. So far, I haven't heard of any on CBCS books. They used to appear on CGC slabs but in small amounts and rarely did it happen. Now it seems with the new holder, they are on almost every book and the rings are huge and noticeable.
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelon In my opinion CGC has always had a certain level of pompous attitude. They show, what I can only call, a casual disrespect for smaller dollar customers. Friendliness goes a long way, and from what I've seen at their convention tables over the years, it's something sorely lacking. A substandard product seems only natural. That disrespect extends to what certain posters are allowed to get away with on their forum.
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover?
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CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.99K	3.99K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover? If stored properly, the short answer is no.
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Collector 421	421 matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by matterus023 The worry for me is if CGC doesn't see this as a fiasco. Even if it is a small % of people complaining about it atm, that number will continue to grow overtime. CBCS must be loving this situation. As the competition I know I would I'm not too sure about this. Knowing Steve the way I do he never gloats over the failures of others. Remember that CGC was his baby at one time, and at a certain level he has to look at it and shake his head, not loving their failure, but that things have not really changed since his departure from CGC. I'm sure Steve is not the type of person who gloats over people's failures. But CGC imo from things I have read/heard etc come across as very elitist. Ok I will re phrase. I can't speak for CBCS but if I was in their situation and my feelings about CGC are accurate I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them at all.
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Chubbyfresh77 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Do you love it? Do you hate it? Perhaps you're indifferent? Are you comfortable with what seems to be static and pressure holding your book in place? If it's hit hard enough, will the insides separate from the cover? Will it tear at the staples? Is it too much like the CBCS holder? Do you like the prism/oil slick/Newtonian effect? Could you use it as a disco ball? Do you need a special tool to crack it open? What do you really think? I think they are garbage and they are ruining good books. If you are going to use pressure to secure books you have to make.it an even pressure, and that is very difficult. I tried one book (Gaurdians of Knowhere 1 Gwenom Variant) and there is obvious pressure on the staples. Although it is a 9.8 now, it won't be when it gets regraded or needs a new case. Question: Will a Newton ring or what you are showing here cause a book to fade differently than the rest of the area that it doesn't cover? If stored properly, the short answer is no. If it is left in direct sunlight does the area the newton ring covers fade differently?
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