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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	So much for reviving the thread into a respectful conversation. Sorry guys. Oh well. Just let 'er die
	8 years ago	Post 151 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	@shrewbeer Don't get DocBrown started. Better just move on.
	8 years ago	Post 152 • IP flag post

Collector 205	205 slym2none private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Yes, better to move on instead of posting silly memes meant to degrade people.
	8 years ago	Post 153 • IP flag post

Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by slym2none Yes, better to move on instead of posting silly memes meant to degrade people.
	8 years ago	Post 154 • IP flag post

I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I still don't understand how it appears fraudulent.
	8 years ago	Post 155 • IP flag post

Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I still don't understand how it appears fraudulent. Low feedback bidder helping to jack up the price. At the very least it looks suspicious.
	8 years ago	Post 156 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Exactly which meme was degrading someone?
	8 years ago	Post 157 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	My pet camel? @DarthLego
	8 years ago	Post 158 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1

	8 years ago	Post 159 • IP flag post

Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Exactly which meme was degrading someone? To the ultra sensitive, even upvoting a post is considered "degrading".
	8 years ago	Post 160 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I still don't understand how it appears fraudulent. Low feedback bidder helping to jack up the price. At the very least it looks suspicious. I would be super shocked if this was a real sale. Again not just shocked but SUPER SHOCKED.
	8 years ago	Post 161 • IP flag post

Collector 1.48K	1.48K OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	The winning bidder has over 1500 feedbacks. I don't see a bidder jeopardising a score like that with a bid this large. Could it be a shill bid? Maybe, but I doubt it. Why jack up a price on a book that was showing a steady increase in bids? There's not a lot of 9.2s out there. To the right buyer, I could see it. One thing is for sure, we will never really know.
	8 years ago	Post 162 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics The winning bidder has over 1500 feedbacks. I don't see a bidder jeopardising a score like that with a bid this large. Could it be a shill bid? Maybe, but I doubt it. Why jack up a price on a book that was showing a steady increase in bids? There's not a lot of 9.2s out there. To the right buyer, I could see it. One thing is for sure, we will never really know. That is the one cool thing about Heritage Auctions. You can offer/contact the winning bidder after the auction ended. eBay won't let you contact them in any way.
	8 years ago	Post 163 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 To the ultra sensitive, even upvoting a post is considered "degrading".
	8 years ago	Post 164 • IP flag post

I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8

	8 years ago	Post 165 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa My pet camel MOOOODDDSSS! @KingNampa is talking about his camel again!!
	8 years ago	Post 166 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@shrewbeer
	8 years ago	Post 167 • IP flag post

Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I Think it has already been explained why this is a potential fake sale, but if it is not enough to see a bidders total number of feedbacks but also what he normally is bidding on a there is a big difference between bidding on a 80k comics and Pokémon trading cards! But hey I also hav a comic which is for sale for 80k if anyone interested
	8 years ago	Post 168 • IP flag post

Collector 1.15K	1.15K BLBcomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	$80K for a Tales to Astonish 13 is plain stupid. ALL of the idiots over paying for too many vintage comic books either are 1) money laundering and/or are 2) keep thinking there are bigger fools out there than they are.
	8 years ago	Post 169 • IP flag post

Collector 1.36K	1.36K The_Curmudgeon private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	The shill begins in bold. Up to that point it was a legit auction. Member Id: .*r ( 1544) US $80,299.00 Feb-11-17 10:42:57 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $80,199.00 Feb-10-17 09:33:22 PST Member Id: .r ( 1544) US $80,139.00 Feb-11-17 10:17:42 PST Member Id: .r ( 1544) US $74,666.00 Feb-10-17 09:14:30 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $69,999.00 Feb-08-17 12:25:08 PST Member Id: .r ( 1544) US $61,000.00 Feb-08-17 11:24:27 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $25,655.00 Feb-06-17 12:17:53 PST Member Id: .r ( 1544) US $25,555.00 Feb-06-17 11:42:57 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $25,522.00 Feb-06-17 12:17:35 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $25,122.00 Feb-06-17 12:17:19 PST Member Id: ve ( 6 ) US $15,999.00 Feb-05-17 10:19:43 PST Member Id: .r ( 1544) US $15,555.00 Feb-05-17 10:22:21 PST Member Id: 9l ( 1421) US $5,800.00 Feb-05-17 08:43:21 PST Member Id: ts ( 1204) US $5,750.00 Feb-04-17 21:44:16 PST Member Id: rd ( 1053) US $5,555.55 Feb-04-17 21:01:58 PST Member Id: ts ( 1204) US $5,450.00 Feb-04-17 21:44:13 PST Member Id: vv ( 952) US $5,150.00 Feb-04-17 19:32:32 PST Member Id: op ( 165) US $3,750.00 Feb-04-17 16:16:27 PST Member Id: cc ( 583) US $3,000.00 Feb-04-17 19:08:48 PST Member Id: im ( 1663) US $1,500.00 Feb-04-17 18:49:37 PST Member Id: 5r ( 103) US $1,050.00 Feb-04-17 18:23:23 PST Member Id: g1 ( 613) US $1,000.00 Feb-04-17 17:56:59 PST Member Id: g1 ( 613) US $666.00 Feb-04-17 17:56:31 PST Member Id: g1 ( 613) US $521.00 Feb-04-17 17:56:19 PST Member Id: cc ( 583) US $15.00 Feb-04-17 17:10:59 PST Member Id: i*m ( 1960) US $4.00 Feb-04-17 16:34:58 PST Starting Price US $1.00 Feb-04-17 15:51:43 PST
	8 years ago	Post 170 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	What can be done to stop shilling? If you emailed ebay about this right now I'm 99% sure they wouldn't help you. They just got a huge commission.
	8 years ago	Post 171 • IP flag post

Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	They got something between 0 and 750
	8 years ago	Post 172 • IP flag post

Collector 25.63K	25.63K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	note that the seller is probably in on this. he has only one other comic for sale. maybe the thought process for a buyer would be that if this comic is worth 80k then this af15 is a steal at 65k http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Fantasy-15-CGC-6-5-Silver-Age-Mega-Key-1st-Spider-Man-Hot-/182478307908?hash=item2a7c8e0244:g:Q9YAAOSwIgNXudaA sorry but i am always suspicious when a seller only has one book for sale
	8 years ago	Post 173 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Yea so ebay gets $750, paypal gets $2,400 and since its over the threshold ebay has to file 1099-K to IRS and seller has to pay $20k in tax. Not such a good deal for the seller even if it was over priced.
	8 years ago	Post 174 • IP flag post

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocBrown

1. It was already explained, at some length, why this auction was fraudulent. Scroll back in this thread to find it.

Question: you said "there are 15 bids on accounted for"...what does that mean?

Maybe you should scroll back and look, I provided some detail, at some length

Sorry, but a single source (even if you highly value it) saying its fraud just doesnt cut it for me. I was looking for something more than what was already said.

That was a sincere question.

You're being, as Watson said earlier, purposely obtuse.

The GPA information is only one factor in determining that this auction was fraudulent. As far as more than what was already said, if you won't believe the evidence already laid out, nothing additional is likely to convince you.

Here's the information again:

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Originally Posted by DocBrown

Evidence that this "auction" result is fake:

1. Look at the bidding history. Notice that there are only two bidders after $5,800. A (presumably) real bidder, and the shill. Notice how the shill is bidding. People don't bid "99" increments because they want to win...they do it because they want to lose. They're trying to expose another bidder's high bid, without going over it. Whether they bid BEFORE or AFTER, it's still a shill bid.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=172515815431&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

2. The "winner" didn't leave feedback. Not proof, but certainly an indication.

3. The low feedback bidder bid on a single item...this one...in the last several months, making their bidding activity with this seller 100%, and on just this item. Again, not proof, but definitely an indicator.

4. GPA, which has access to the eBay database (that everyone can get access to), came to the same conclusion, as noted by others above.

As for eBay fees, are you folks not aware that eBay fees are capped at $750 per item? And $250 for premium and higher store owners? And that it's fairly straightforward to apply for a fee refund when/if the "buyer" doesn't pay?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/credits.html

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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
So much for reviving the thread into a respectful conversation. Sorry guys. Oh well. Just let 'er die

If you want a respectful conversation, you should be respectful, too. You weren't disrespected...you were just offended. You can be respectful yourself by calling out the disrespectful memes, which don't serve a constructive purpose.

8 years ago

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics The winning bidder has over 1500 feedbacks. I don't see a bidder jeopardising a score like that with a bid this large. Could it be a shill bid? Maybe, but I doubt it. Why jack up a price on a book that was showing a steady increase in bids? There's not a lot of 9.2s out there. To the right buyer, I could see it. One thing is for sure, we will never really know. How would the winning "bidder" be jeopardizing their score by bidding in this listing? As far as eBay is concerned, they're just bidding. Why jack up a price? To create the impression of demand. And why do you say we will never really know? All it takes is someone admitting what they did. It's likely we will never really know, but it's certainly not for sure.
	8 years ago	Post 176 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@DocBrown Could also be the kid with Dad's credit card situation. They saw the movie and wanted the comic, so they used their parent's account to bid on it. Lol Example
	8 years ago	Post 177 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 To the ultra sensitive, even upvoting a post is considered "degrading". If I called someone a stupid jackass, and other people upvoted that comment, would that not be considered degrading...? And would the person being called a stupid jackass be being "ultra sensitive" by pointing that out...? Yes, and no. Context is everything.
	8 years ago	Post 178 • IP flag post

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa @DocBrown Could also be the kid with Dad's credit card situation. They saw the movie and wanted the comic, so they used their parent's account to bid on it. Lol Example Sure. We don't know the motives of the "6" bidder at the moment.
	8 years ago	Post 179 • IP flag post

Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 To the ultra sensitive, even upvoting a post is considered "degrading". If I called someone a stupid jackass, and other people upvoted that comment, would that not be considered degrading...? And would the person being called a stupid jackass be being "ultra sensitive" by pointing that out...? Yes, and no. Context is everything. Yes, it is...
	8 years ago	Post 180 • IP flag post

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