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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I frequently sell on ebay, twitter, facebook, instagream, verbally, and at kaptainmyke.com. I live in America, I am American, and I have a right to sell my personal collectibles any way I see fit. There is no stealing or thieving involved. It's my property. It's my fees. I pay web hosting, I pay postage. I am not ripping anyone off. I think it's a rather bold statement to be calling people thieves just because they work out a better deal with someone who wants to buy my collectibles. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Free enterprise system is still a free enterprise system. If you, or anyone else, disagrees with my opinion, you also don't have to buy my items, either. Go somewhere else. I will still shrug and make money at the end of the day with a clear conscience. Oh well Those are very bold and confident words. Is there a reason you can't apply that confidence to your sales without breaking the rules you agreed to when you joined eBay? Why did you agree to them? You're not obligated to follow the rules you accepted? tl;dr? Can you see the point that is trying to be made here? You agree to the terms we all [should] know about, but then proudly announce to everyone here that you'll break the rules so YOU come out on top. Sure, every one wants to win, but what happened to personal pride? And why should any buyer reading your post think you wouldn't break other rules in order to get more of their money? Because you're nice to them? I read your post and picture a smile full of shark teeth. You're saying that is being American? "I agree to your terms (suckers!)." Sad. I grew up in a better America than that, and I miss it more every day.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I still do not see a problem. I can sell my collectibles the way I want to. I'm not ripping anybody off either.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@slym2none If a seller is connected with a buyer because of ebay, then ebay has every right to the fees. It's thievery if a buyer and seller connect through ebay then circumvent the fees. HOWEVER, If a seller connects himself to a buyer outside by other means, then cancels his BIN advert, ebay has NO moral or legal right to sale fees. You guys are calling every single brick and mortar comic shop that sells on ebay a thief. Someone walks into a comic shop and buys a book thats listed on ebay (and did not hear about it through ebay), the ebay advert is then taken down, no fees needed or wanted from ebay. @kap im unclear on what youre saying; you dont hook up with a buyer on ebay then cancel the item and do a different deal (for the same item) outside ebay correct? Coz that wouldnt be cool.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Hypothetical situation: Person A has a book up for sale on eBay with a buy it now set to last 30 days. Person B comes along, seeing the book on eBay and wanting to do a "deal" contacts the seller via the eBay messaging system. They ask Person A if they would be willing to take the sale off of eBay. Person A says no, that would be cheating eBay out of their fees. If you don't buy the book through eBay and if no one else buys it, I will sell it to you once the 30 days are up. In that scenario, wouldn't Person A still be "stealing" fees from eBay, considering they used eBay to "advertise" the book and Person B would not even have known about it had they not been looking on eBay? I think as long as the seller leaves the book up for the 30 days, available to anyone eligible, they've met their obligation. Negotiating in advance for a time when the book will no longer be associated with eBay might be something that is overlooked simply because the book is never made unavailable because of the negotiations. Might be one of those legal tightrope things, idk. Even so, if you've used eBay to "advertise" the book to someone who might not have seen it otherwise and you do the deal outside of eBay, isn't that not giving them their fair share? I understand what you mean. Maybe that is how it should be, but I'm guessing eBay can only expect (if that's the right word) fees for items sold while on their site. I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising. By making efforts to sell something advertised on eBay outside eBay in order to bypass those fees, 'you' are stealing as defined by the rules 'you' signed your "name" to.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising It would be both. If ebay hooks up two people who would not have otherwise been hooked up, they deserve their fees. But the opposite rings true as well. If a book is on ebay and two people hook up through other means, ebay deserves nothing.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer But the opposite rings true as well. If a book is on ebay and two people hook up through other means, ebay deserves nothing. Quoted for greatness. Thank you
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Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Hypothetical situation: Person A has a book up for sale on eBay with a buy it now set to last 30 days. Person B comes along, seeing the book on eBay and wanting to do a "deal" contacts the seller via the eBay messaging system. They ask Person A if they would be willing to take the sale off of eBay. Person A says no, that would be cheating eBay out of their fees. If you don't buy the book through eBay and if no one else buys it, I will sell it to you once the 30 days are up. In that scenario, wouldn't Person A still be "stealing" fees from eBay, considering they used eBay to "advertise" the book and Person B would not even have known about it had they not been looking on eBay? I think as long as the seller leaves the book up for the 30 days, available to anyone eligible, they've met their obligation. Negotiating in advance for a time when the book will no longer be associated with eBay might be something that is overlooked simply because the book is never made unavailable because of the negotiations. Might be one of those legal tightrope things, idk. Even so, if you've used eBay to "advertise" the book to someone who might not have seen it otherwise and you do the deal outside of eBay, isn't that not giving them their fair share? I understand what you mean. Maybe that is how it should be, but I'm guessing eBay can only expect (if that's the right word) fees for items sold while on their site. I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising. By making efforts to sell something advertised on eBay outside eBay in order to bypass those fees, 'you' are stealing as defined by the rules 'you' signed your "name" to. I understand what you're saying. But if a person takes what they feel is a moral stance and reports people to eBay or the mods on either the CBCS or CGC forums for "advertising" their books on eBay and then selling them elsewhere to circumvent fees...aren't they being hypocritical when selling a book off eBay right after the 30 day listing has elapsed? Why should it matter if I end the auction early or wait the full 30? I've used eBay to "advertise" my book and a sale has been accomplished without paying the eBay fees.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Here is simple logic: Can a person who proudly announces they break rules in order to serve Numero Uno truly be trusted? No. The point I'm trying to make is; if you can't agree to the terms of service, what right do you have to use it? :shrug:
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Conversely let me state that if I advertise an item on twitter, facebook group, or PM and it's an ebay item, I usually display links that are rover links that let me use the ebay partner network program so that way if someone buys my item or not, I get a percentage of whatever they buy on ebay once my cookie is stored on their computer. Let me further clarify that if I advertise a book that's on ebay, and someone clicks on it and buys it, I made the sale and ebay gets their fees. I have never cancelled an item to sell it cheaper on ebay. Ever. If anything, I've lowered the price to make the potential buyer satisfied. Does that make you people happy? I still do not change my opinion or stance. Sure, I use ebay as an advertiser. However, if my book sells at my website, I cancel the ebay listing and continue the sell and ship it out. I have no idea if they saw my ebay item or not. Does that make it clear enough for you? I don't care otherwise either way. But to call people cheats and thieves is downright wrong and asking for backlash from anybody. I swear, these CGC guys are the worst.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising It would be both. If ebay hooks up two people who would not have otherwise been hooked up, they deserve their fees. But the opposite rings true as well. If a book is on ebay and two people hook up through other means, ebay deserves nothing. I agree assuming the potential buyer never saw the book on eBay in the first place rather than just walking in and seeing the book on the wall or in a box. eBay is not a factor in that sale. There are some very fine lines here, but for me they're plainly marked by applying a sense of right, wrong, and personal pride. When applying 'dog eat dog- screw you, yay for me', they'll naturally look different.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Hypothetical situation: Person A has a book up for sale on eBay with a buy it now set to last 30 days. Person B comes along, seeing the book on eBay and wanting to do a "deal" contacts the seller via the eBay messaging system. They ask Person A if they would be willing to take the sale off of eBay. Person A says no, that would be cheating eBay out of their fees. If you don't buy the book through eBay and if no one else buys it, I will sell it to you once the 30 days are up. In that scenario, wouldn't Person A still be "stealing" fees from eBay, considering they used eBay to "advertise" the book and Person B would not even have known about it had they not been looking on eBay? I think as long as the seller leaves the book up for the 30 days, available to anyone eligible, they've met their obligation. Negotiating in advance for a time when the book will no longer be associated with eBay might be something that is overlooked simply because the book is never made unavailable because of the negotiations. Might be one of those legal tightrope things, idk. Even so, if you've used eBay to "advertise" the book to someone who might not have seen it otherwise and you do the deal outside of eBay, isn't that not giving them their fair share? I understand what you mean. Maybe that is how it should be, but I'm guessing eBay can only expect (if that's the right word) fees for items sold while on their site. I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising. By making efforts to sell something advertised on eBay outside eBay in order to bypass those fees, 'you' are stealing as defined by the rules 'you' signed your "name" to. I understand what you're saying. But if a person takes what they feel is a moral stance and reports people to eBay or the mods on either the CBCS or CGC forums for "advertising" their books on eBay and then selling them elsewhere to circumvent fees...aren't they being hypocritical when selling a book off eBay right after the 30 day listing has elapsed? Why should it matter if I end the auction early or wait the full 30? I've used eBay to "advertise" my book and a sale has been accomplished without paying the eBay fees. I feel it falls under 'obligation' again. While your book is on their site, their rules should be followed as agreed upon IF eBay was involved. Once the 30 days is up and no longer available to anyone eligible on their site, as agreed to when the listing is placed, then eBay can't expect fees. It's a detail that requires honesty and pride in order for it to work as it should. Whoever wants to answer this, please do: If you don't like eBay's fees and terms, why did you agree to them?
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Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Hypothetical situation: Person A has a book up for sale on eBay with a buy it now set to last 30 days. Person B comes along, seeing the book on eBay and wanting to do a "deal" contacts the seller via the eBay messaging system. They ask Person A if they would be willing to take the sale off of eBay. Person A says no, that would be cheating eBay out of their fees. If you don't buy the book through eBay and if no one else buys it, I will sell it to you once the 30 days are up. In that scenario, wouldn't Person A still be "stealing" fees from eBay, considering they used eBay to "advertise" the book and Person B would not even have known about it had they not been looking on eBay? I think as long as the seller leaves the book up for the 30 days, available to anyone eligible, they've met their obligation. Negotiating in advance for a time when the book will no longer be associated with eBay might be something that is overlooked simply because the book is never made unavailable because of the negotiations. Might be one of those legal tightrope things, idk. Even so, if you've used eBay to "advertise" the book to someone who might not have seen it otherwise and you do the deal outside of eBay, isn't that not giving them their fair share? I understand what you mean. Maybe that is how it should be, but I'm guessing eBay can only expect (if that's the right word) fees for items sold while on their site. I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising. By making efforts to sell something advertised on eBay outside eBay in order to bypass those fees, 'you' are stealing as defined by the rules 'you' signed your "name" to. I understand what you're saying. But if a person takes what they feel is a moral stance and reports people to eBay or the mods on either the CBCS or CGC forums for "advertising" their books on eBay and then selling them elsewhere to circumvent fees...aren't they being hypocritical when selling a book off eBay right after the 30 day listing has elapsed? Why should it matter if I end the auction early or wait the full 30? I've used eBay to "advertise" my book and a sale has been accomplished without paying the eBay fees. I feel it falls under 'obligation' again. While your book is on their site, their rules should be followed as agreed upon IF eBay was involved. Once the 30 days is up and no longer available to anyone eligible on their site, as agreed to when the listing is placed, then eBay can't expect fees. It's a detail that requires honesty and pride in order for it to work as it should. Whoever wants to answer this, please do: If you don't like eBay's fees and terms, why did you agree to them? Then why do they allow people to end their listings early? I really don't see how it should matter if Person A ends it ( which is allowed )before the 30 days are up as opposed to day 31. The same end has been reached, a sale without paying eBay their fees and using eBay to "advertise" a book that Person B buying it would most likely have not known about without it being on eBay.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	On 30-day BIN auctions, ebay has this thing called "end auction early". One of the options is "this item is no longer available for sale"; ie, lost, broken, seller changed their mind, or the item was sold at another venue. By the way, anyone confirm yet if the 80k sale was actually fake??
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Why just the women? I like bears. 3.44K	3.44K Gaard private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay...and ending listings early clickable text
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Logan510 Then why do they allow people to end their listings early? I really don't see how it should matter if Person A ends it ( which is allowed )before the 30 days are up as opposed to day 31. The same end has been reached, a sale without paying eBay their fees and using eBay to "advertise" a book that Person B buying it would most likely have not known about without it being on eBay. Probably because there's only so much eBay can enforce. They're relying on people's honesty. When a book is listed, there are terms. When the listing ends, those terms are nullified. There are many legit and honest reasons why a listing might be taken down early- eBay can't control that and sometimes neither can the seller, so in this lawyer driven society they probably don't fight every dropped listing.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by eBay We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. I've never been asked via PM on ebay to cancel a listing and sell it cheaper at my site. I've also never told anyone to go to my website to get a cheaper price. If anything, the prices are the same, sometimes higher at my own website. Ya know, this argument has come up 3 times now if I recall correctly. And it's always the SAME people arguing over ebay policy. You can always feel free to add me to your list of blocked buyers and sellers. I've done the same to several.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Quote: Originally Posted by eBay We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. I've never been asked via PM on ebay to cancel a listing and sell it cheaper at my site. I've also never told anyone to go to my website to get a cheaper price. If anything, the prices are the same, sometimes higher at my own website. Ya know, this argument has come up 3 times now if I recall correctly. And it's always the SAME people arguing over ebay policy. You can always feel free to add me to your list of blocked buyers and sellers. I've done the same to several. lol Who is arguing? I was just about to post that this has been a good DISCUSSION; that people are presenting their views constructively (for the most part). A discussion doesn't have to be all flowers and kisses in order to be good.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.13K	27.13K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Well that's true, I'm not mad or anything either. Discussions are hard to have with just text, missing body language and facial cues can mislead people's words with reactions. I just really want to defend anyone who is considered a thief or a cheat, that's all. We all work hard and reputation is hard work.
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Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Why are people arguing for eBay? A greedy corporation that raises their fees often. Who also created the monopoly of PayPal that forces us to pay another 3%. Also might I mention eBay 99% of the time sides with buyer if they file a complaint no matter how crazy. eBay expects to lose some sales to other sites, even if it is currently listed on eBay. They have no requirement in their seller terms that require you to only list it at eBay. Comiclink on the other hand DOES have a policy that prohibits you listing the same item on their site and others. This is your property you have the right to sell, list, cancel listing, etc.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay...and ending listings early clickable text This. I anyone lists there, links the listing here (or elsewhere), then requests outside contact if anyone seeing the EBAY link has interest, you're breaking a rule to which you agreed.
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Originally Posted by KingNampa
Why are people arguing for eBay? A greedy corporation that raises their fees often. Who also created the monopoly of PayPal that forces us to pay another 3%. Also might I mention eBay 99% of the time sides with buyer if they file a complaint no matter how crazy. eBay expects to lose some sales to other sites, even if it is currently listed on eBay. They have no requirement in their seller terms that require you to only list it at eBay. Comiclink on the other hand DOES have a policy that prohibits you listing the same item in their site and others.

This is your property you have the right to sell, list, cancel listing, etc.

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Whoever wants to answer this, please do:
If you don't like eBay's fees and terms, why did you agree to them?

Imagine for some strange reason a Judge (or God, though He would be expected to) asks you this question. What answer could you give with a straight face?

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Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay...and ending listings early clickable text This. I anyone lists there, links the listing here (or elsewhere), then requests outside contact if anyone seeing the EBAY link has interest, you're breaking a rule to which you agreed. You are really confused. You can't send your contact info through eBay messenger system, it detects it and you will be banned. Kapatainmike and I are talking about listing the same product on multiple sites/places, as is our right (except on comiclink). Wtf does Judge/God have to do with it. Lol
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
Well that's true, I'm not mad or anything either. Discussions are hard to have with just text, missing body language and facial cues can mislead people's words with reactions.

Too true.

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I just really want to defend anyone who is considered a thief or a cheat, that's all. We all work hard and reputation is hard work.

But "you're" also building reputations as rule breakers to honest people.

I guess once everyone is a rule breaker, this won't be a problem, but whole new ones will probably pop up.

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Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	There is no rule preventing you from listing on multiple sites including eBay. Ending an auction early with bidders already on it, your argument makes sense. But even that case eBay will charge you listing fees for ending an auction style early with bidders. So they still get your money. What I and I think most people are talking about here is buy it now style on eBay. That is like a newspaper ad. If no one buys it now and you sell it somewhere else, you can end it early with no fees incurred. There is no moral argument here.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard Offers to buy or sell outside of eBay...and ending listings early clickable text This. I anyone lists there, links the listing here (or elsewhere), then requests outside contact if anyone seeing the EBAY link has interest, you're breaking a rule to which you agreed. You are really confused. You can't send your contact info through eBay messenger system, it detects it and you will be banned. Kapatainmike and I are talking about listing the same product on multiple sites/places, as is our right (except on comiclink). Wtf does Judge/God have to do with it. Lol I can list a book on eBay, link it here and ask people here to contact me here so we can bypass eBay's fees, breaking a rule I agreed not to break. Basically, I gave my word I wouldn't do that. That's what I meant. If eBay's rules (that we agree to) says we cannot advertise the exact same individual book on multiple sites, then that also would be a broken rule. If they don't say that, then it's not.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Well that's true, I'm not mad or anything either. Discussions are hard to have with just text, missing body language and facial cues can mislead people's words with reactions. Too true. Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I just really want to defend anyone who is considered a thief or a cheat, that's all. We all work hard and reputation is hard work. But "you're" also building reputations as rule breakers to honest people. And that really does send a message you may now want sent. There must be many people who read this that never post. I guess once everyone is a rule breaker, this won't be a problem, but whole new ones will probably pop up.
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Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@MR_SigS Ok please volunteer to monitor every single eBay posting on this forum and make sure that they are only completed on eBay. If not, notify eBay. That way we can cull all these immoral sellers. Deal?
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Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa @MR_SigS Ok please volunteer to monitor every single eBay posting on this forum and make sure that they are only completed on eBay. If not, notify eBay. That way we can cull all these immoral sellers. Deal? Oh, don't worry, there are already people here who are doing just that. I'll leave it up to them to decide if they want to admit to it.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa @MR_SigS Ok please volunteer to monitor every single eBay posting on this forum and make sure that they are only completed on eBay. If not, notify eBay. That way we can cull all these immoral sellers. Deal? I'd be happier if people could be honest on their own. Choice #1: Other people are cheating. I will too. Choice #2: Other people are being honest. I will too. It really is THAT simple :shrug: But it's just a dream. Money is all that matters to too many.
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