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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I'm really not. Maybe the sale situation seems obvious to you, but it's not to me. I thought ebay was flat percentage. In which case, who in their right mind shills up to 80k? Or even flat out fakes it to 80k? @DocBrown just pointed out that it's not flat percentage, which changes the game. In any case, if the person who bought it actually paid it, IMO the sale is LEGIT; shill on the other side or not. However, if the winner was the shill, then of course it's fake. |
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| IF the person who bought it actually pays for it. IF. That's a big keyword here. *munches popcorn* |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none ...and if the two bidders are not connected - big if. Trust me - we will see that book again |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer No biggie. If you don't know, then you don't know. It's also no big deal for the involved parties to just cancel the deal. That way, the seller can recoup his final value fees. |
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@DrWatson Simple cancellation of the deal kills the fees? I had no idea it was that easy to be shady on ebay, wth  . |
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| If the buyer and seller agree to cancel the transaction, then the seller can request a refund of his final value fees from eBay. | ||
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| People being shady on eBay? Unpossible! Next thing you'll tell me is that people put their comics on eBay for advertising but sell them off-site so they can circumnavigate eBay's fees. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer People have cancelled on me and I get the fee back, it's not uncommon. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none Why don't you stop beating around the bush and just accuse people of being thieves? Or does this make you feel oh so clever? |
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| OK. People that put their comics on eBay to "advertise" them but sell off-site to avoid paying eBay their fees are thieves. If anyone here does that, you're a thief. I'm not sorry for saying it.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none You shouldn't be sorry for it if that's the way you feel and I respect that you were direct. |
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| Sometimes, but not always, I can get a better deal by buying on ebay when they have the ebay-bucks promotion vs buying from the seller's private site. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none Just curious, would you call My Comic Shop thieves? They regularly post books on eBay while simultaneously selling them on their site. If someone were to buy one of those books from their site directly..have they not circumvented the process and helped facilitate "theft" of eBay fees? |
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| People that put their comics on eBay to "advertise" them but sell off-site to avoid paying eBay their fees are thieves. If one has multiple copies of the same item, that would negate the above statement. But only on a technicality. However, if only one copy is being sold, then yes, they would be thieves. |
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| Hypothetical situation: Person A has a book up for sale on eBay with a buy it now set to last 30 days. Person B comes along, seeing the book on eBay and wanting to do a "deal" contacts the seller via the eBay messaging system. They ask Person A if they would be willing to take the sale off of eBay. Person A says no, that would be cheating eBay out of their fees. If you don't buy the book through eBay and if no one else buys it, I will sell it to you once the 30 days are up. In that scenario, wouldn't Person A still be "stealing" fees from eBay, considering they used eBay to "advertise" the book and Person B would not even have known about it had they not been looking on eBay? |
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| OMG, you are looking for ways around this like a lawyer. Think what you want to think, make up your own mind on this matter. I have said my piece. Peace out! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 I think as long as the seller leaves the book up for the 30 days, available to anyone eligible, they've met their obligation. Negotiating in advance for a time when the book will no longer be associated with eBay might be something that is overlooked simply because the book is never made unavailable because of the negotiations. Might be one of those legal tightrope things, idk. |
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| The simple thing is that most of the sellers with shop will list their items on both eBay (typically at a higher price to cover the eBay fee) and their online shop. if it sells on eBay the will sell through eBay - it sells through online shop - it will sell through their online shop. Nothing wrong with this. | ||
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| Somebody help me out with this, but don't ebay sellers with an ebay store get reduced ebay fees? I'm not sure what the fee drops to, but someone chime in here. Opps, sorry @DocBrown, just saw your earlier post with the links to ebay that pretty much answers all my ebay fees questions. |
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| @Foghorn_Sam Ya power sellers pay less fees. Regular ebay seller pays 13% (10% eBay and 3% PayPal). That can be a lot for books sold in the thousands. I try to sell PayPal direct whenever I can, skip that 10% eBay fee. Once someone buys from you on eBay you have their direct email. You can get follow up sales that way. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none You made a statement about how you feel about the situation, I was looking for nothing but your opinion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS Even so, if you've used eBay to "advertise" the book to someone who might not have seen it otherwise and you do the deal outside of eBay, isn't that not giving them their fair share? |
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| Logically, wouldnt the answer to this debate be as simple as if ebay policy says you are stealing from them, you are, and if not; you're not. | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| I frequently sell on ebay, twitter, facebook, instagream, verbally, and at kaptainmyke.com. I live in America, I am American, and I have a right to sell my personal collectibles any way I see fit. There is no stealing or thieving involved. It's my property. It's my fees. I pay web hosting, I pay postage. I am not ripping anyone off. I think it's a rather bold statement to be calling people thieves just because they work out a better deal with someone who wants to buy my collectibles. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Free enterprise system is still a free enterprise system. If you, or anyone else, disagrees with my opinion, you also don't have to buy my items, either. Go somewhere else. I will still shrug and make money at the end of the day with a clear conscience. Oh well | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Those are very bold and confident words. Is there a reason you can't apply that confidence to your sales without breaking the rules you agreed to when you joined eBay? Why did you agree to them? You're not obligated to follow the rules you accepted? tl;dr? Can you see the point that is trying to be made here? You agree to the terms we all [should] know about, but then proudly announce to everyone here that you'll break the rules so YOU come out on top. Sure, every one wants to win, but what happened to personal pride? And why should any buyer reading your post think you wouldn't break other rules in order to get more of their money? Because you're nice to them? I read your post and picture a smile full of shark teeth. You're saying that is being American? "I agree to your terms (suckers!)." Sad. I grew up in a better America than that, and I miss it more every day. |
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| I still do not see a problem. I can sell my collectibles the way I want to. I'm not ripping anybody off either. | ||
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| @slym2none If a seller is connected with a buyer because of ebay, then ebay has every right to the fees. It's thievery if a buyer and seller connect through ebay then circumvent the fees. HOWEVER, If a seller connects himself to a buyer outside by other means, then cancels his BIN advert, ebay has NO moral or legal right to sale fees. You guys are calling every single brick and mortar comic shop that sells on ebay a thief. Someone walks into a comic shop and buys a book thats listed on ebay (and did not hear about it through ebay), the ebay advert is then taken down, no fees needed or wanted from ebay. @kap im unclear on what youre saying; you dont hook up with a buyer on ebay then cancel the item and do a different deal (for the same item) outside ebay correct? Coz that wouldnt be cool. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 I understand what you mean. Maybe that is how it should be, but I'm guessing eBay can only expect (if that's the right word) fees for items sold while on their site. I figure the defining detail is eBay is charging the fee for advertising an item SOLD on their site, not just advertising. By making efforts to sell something advertised on eBay outside eBay in order to bypass those fees, 'you' are stealing as defined by the rules 'you' signed your "name" to. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS It would be both. If ebay hooks up two people who would not have otherwise been hooked up, they deserve their fees. But the opposite rings true as well. If a book is on ebay and two people hook up through other means, ebay deserves nothing. |
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