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Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @shrewbeer But, CVA isn't even doing that. They are just looking at the slab and slapping a sticker on it that is basically just saying "yep, that looks good!" That's not true. They aren't "verifying" that the book is "graded correctly." If that's your understanding, then yes, I can see why one would think it was a "ruse." However...that's not what they do. From CVA's website: "CVA's proprietary, tamper-evident holographic sticker provides assurance that the comic book you own has met our strict standards for *outstanding eye appeal and superior structure within the numerical grade* assigned by CGC. (...and CBCS.) CVA's distinctive sticker allows collectors, dealers and investors, with any level of experience, to easily identify these *premium-quality examples in any grade. A CVA endorsement adds value for anyone interested in the CGC graded comic book market, buyers and sellers alike." (emphasis added.) They aren't verifying that the grade is "accurate." They're identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade...copies that look and present better than* the "typical" example for that grade. Quote: Originally Posted by DL If CVA was providing an intragrade elvauation and slapping say 9.7 stickers onto 9.6 slabs, then I could see it as being an actual service. Still wouldn't use that service, or agree to it's usefulness, but at least they'd actually be doing something productive. People made these same arguments (and still do) in coins for a decade or more. The reality is, however, that the market demanded...and the market got...not only all the "intragrades" (like MS61, 62, 64, 66, 68, etc) but designations, both within the grading companies, and by outside services, like CAC, and the market has rewarded those services by paying more for those coins. Not substantially more. Not multiples. But more. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-MS65-NGC-CAC-/371878072298?hash=item5695a90fea:g:JXMAAOSw2gxYs5RY Here's an 1881-CC PCGS MS65+ with green CAC, that sold for $1,027: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1881-CC-Morgan-Dollar-MS-65-Plus-PCGS-CAC-/122309615391?hash=item1c7a389f1f:g:5ukAAOSw241YeDAa ...which was nearly 50% more than this one, graded PCGS MS65: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1881-CC-Silver-Morgan-Dollar-MS-65-PCGS-306-/332127667313?hash=item4d545a0471:g:btkAAOSwTuJYpHQ2 That's a pretty hefty premium. Same grade...MS65. But that "+" and CAC sticker made a not-insubstantial difference. Here's another "plain" PCGS MS65 1881-cc that sold for $717: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1881-CC-PURE-GEM-MORGAN-PCGS-MS-65-NICE-QUALITY-A-NICE-FULL-STRIKE-BRITE-/182449254485?hash=item2a7ad2b055:g:i6QAAOSwB-1Ym~Ff And another that sold for $787: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-DAY-AUCTION-BETTER-DATE-PCGS-MS65-1881-CC-CARSON-CITY-MORGAN-DOLLAR-PQ-/232232823455?hash=item361227aa9f:g:WhsAAOSwTglYml36 That little "+" and the CAC sticker combined made a significant difference in price...same grade, MS65. P.T. Barnum!
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego A 9.8 with a checkmark is still a 9.8 and always will be a 9.8. The checkmark means that the particular flaws preventing it from being a 9.9 are not immediately evident by just examining the book slabbed. Therefore, the slabbed book displays and presents better than a typical 9.8. Does that make sense? If that's what the checkmark means...and there's apparently some confusion about that...then yes, that's something along the lines of what the coin companies are doing. Depends, however, on why they're including the checkmark, and if it's consistent across the board.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @shrewbeer But, CVA isn't even doing that. They are just looking at the slab and slapping a sticker on it that is basically just saying "yep, that looks good!" That's not true. They aren't "verifying" that the book is "graded correctly." If that's your understanding, then yes, I can see why one would think it was a "ruse." ... They aren't verifying that the grade is "accurate." None of those quotations appeared anywhere in my statement. So I do not understand why you quoted me and responded toward me.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown I don't doubt that it might be beyond your ability, but perhaps you may wish to simply try first. There is, after all, nothing to convey from your previous posts. All you've said was "it's a ruse", without further explanation.[/ quote] Oh, I certainly conveyed much. Perhaps it's an abstract comprehension weakness you may personally possess? Perhaps. I suspect that might be the case. I had to take my "Intro to Abstract Comprehension" course twice in college. It was most embarrassing. Quote: Originally Posted by VI Regardless, I have zero interest in further explanation. Which certainly would be completely understandable, had there been some...or, really, any...explanation in the first place. Quote: Originally Posted by VI I personally enjoy keeping my posts short and purposeful. And apparently sans explanations. However, I never even attempted to "explain" anything. You wrote ASKING for one. I originally asked a question, followed by posting a statement. Comprehend? See, perhaps this is your weakness. After all, I wasn't even required to take that course once in college.
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@shrewbeer But, CVA isn't even doing that. They are just looking at the slab and slapping a sticker on it that is basically just saying "yep, that looks good!"

That's not true. They aren't "verifying" that the book is "graded correctly."

If that's your understanding, then yes, I can see why one would think it was a "ruse."
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They aren't verifying that the grade is "accurate."

None of those quotations appeared anywhere in my statement. So I do not understand why you quoted me and responded toward me.

I was, of course, paraphrasing, and pulling in comments from others to reply to yours.

Allow me, then, to use your words verbatim:

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
They are just looking at the slab and slapping a sticker on it that is basically just saying "yep, that looks good!"

That's not what they're doing.

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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown I don't doubt that it might be beyond your ability, but perhaps you may wish to simply try first. There is, after all, nothing to convey from your previous posts. All you've said was "it's a ruse", without further explanation.[/ quote] Oh, I certainly conveyed much. Perhaps it's an abstract comprehension weakness you may personally possess? Perhaps. I suspect that might be the case. I had to take my "Intro to Abstract Comprehension" course twice in college. It was most embarrassing. Quote: Originally Posted by VI Regardless, I have zero interest in further explanation. Which certainly would be completely understandable, had there been some...or, really, any...explanation in the first place. Quote: Originally Posted by VI I personally enjoy keeping my posts short and purposeful. And apparently sans explanations. However, I never even attempted to "explain" anything. You wrote ASKING for one. I originally asked a question, followed by posting a statement. Comprehend? See, perhaps this is your weakness. After all, I wasn't even required to take that course once in college. Nor the course on quote nesting, apparently. In any event, yes, I agree with you 100%. You never even attempted to "explain" anything. Might you now...? How about if I ask really nicely? Pretty please....?
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	You said, "they are identifying copies that have superior eye appeal." I said they are saying "yep, that looks good." That is exactly the same thing. I just said it using humor and sarcasm. Did that concept escape you?
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Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown I don't doubt that it might be beyond your ability, but perhaps you may wish to simply try first. There is, after all, nothing to convey from your previous posts. All you've said was "it's a ruse", without further explanation.[/ quote] No. See, you do have comprehension difficulty. However, have you ever studied the psychological hierarchy of the egomaniac? It's quite interesting. I think you would make a wonderful study. Oh, I certainly conveyed much. Perhaps it's an abstract comprehension weakness you may personally possess? Perhaps. I suspect that might be the case. I had to take my "Intro to Abstract Comprehension" course twice in college. It was most embarrassing. Quote: Originally Posted by VI Regardless, I have zero interest in further explanation. Which certainly would be completely understandable, had there been some...or, really, any...explanation in the first place. Quote: Originally Posted by VI I personally enjoy keeping my posts short and purposeful. And apparently sans explanations. However, I never even attempted to "explain" anything. You wrote ASKING for one. I originally asked a question, followed by posting a statement. Comprehend? See, perhaps this is your weakness. After all, I wasn't even required to take that course once in college. Nor the course on quote nesting, apparently. In any event, yes, I agree with you 100%. You never even attempted to "explain" anything. Might you now...? How about if I ask really nicely? Pretty please....?
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	No. See, you do have comprehension difficulty. However, may I ask if you've ever been exposed to the psychological heirarchy of the ego maniac? It's quite fascinating. I truly believe you would make a wonderful subject.
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Originally Posted by DarthLego
You said, "they are identifying copies that have superior eye appeal."

That's not quite what I said...you know, since we're being precise. What I said was:

"They're identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade."

Not *just* "superior eye appeal", though that's part of it.

Since we're being precise.

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I said they are saying "yep, that looks good."

That is exactly the same thing. I just said it using humor and sarcasm.

Did that concept escape you?

Oh, no, not at all.

I was simply clarifying for you, in case you thought they were just saying "yup, that looks good!", which isn't what they are doing.

Since we're being so precise, "yup, that looks good" doesn't mean the same thing at all as "identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade."

The latter, of course, is far more technical and precise, while the former could mean pretty much anything.

Since we're going for precision and whatnot.

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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot No. See, you do have comprehension difficulty. However, may I ask if you've ever been exposed to the psychological heirarchy of the ego maniac? It's quite fascinating. I truly believe you would make a wonderful subject. I suspect that comprehending that you won't explain further, and asking you to do so anyways, aren't really quite the same thing. However, there's no need for namecalling. I asked you to explain your comment, you refused to do so. That's really all that matters. I don't personally understand why people make comments, but then are unwilling to explain those comments, but I like to be rational, myself.
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Collector 1.34K	1.34K VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot No. See, you do have comprehension difficulty. However, may I ask if you've ever been exposed to the psychological heirarchy of the ego maniac? It's quite fascinating. I truly believe you would make a wonderful subject. I suspect that comprehending that you won't explain further, and asking you to do so anyways, aren't really quite the same thing. However, there's no need for namecalling. I asked you to explain your comment, you refused to do so. That's really all that matters. I don't personally understand why people make comments, but then are unwilling to explain those comments, but I like to be rational, myself. I wasn't "name calling" at all. It was an honest query. You possess many of the traits of such. However, I digress. At the very least now you seem to comprehend and properly describe my "comments" and do not improperly describe them as "explanation"
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by VillageIdiot No. See, you do have comprehension difficulty. However, may I ask if you've ever been exposed to the psychological heirarchy of the ego maniac? It's quite fascinating. I truly believe you would make a wonderful subject. I suspect that comprehending that you won't explain further, and asking you to do so anyways, aren't really quite the same thing. However, there's no need for namecalling. I asked you to explain your comment, you refused to do so. That's really all that matters. I don't personally understand why people make comments, but then are unwilling to explain those comments, but I like to be rational, myself. I wasn't "name calling" at all. It was an honest query. You possess many of the traits of such. However, I digress. At the very least now you seem to comprehend and properly describe my "comments" and do not improperly describe them as "explanation" Disingenuousness, thy name is VillageIdiot! You may as well ask if I've stopped beating my wife yet. Huzzah to you, sir! I congratulate you on your most excellent and apt choice of nom de guerre!
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Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	It's nice to know some things never change
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Lmfao thread about to be locked in 3...2...1...
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Why would the thread be locked? There's no reason to. We're all having a nice, pleasant discussion...aren't we?
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I certainly am.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@Darth to clarify my point, just meant that they had a half-ass dumb idea of how to do the in-between grading. If they actually put the in-between grade stickers on instead of their current glorious vague idea... on crazy expensive books I could get down with that.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	People should be allowed to be a bit saucy sometimes, so long as no one gets hurt. It relieves tension.
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. 103.73K	103.73K esaravo private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Let's get back on topic (if anyone cares at this point). Does anybody have proof that CVA is a legitimate company that does what it claims? Or does anyone that submits a book and pays the price gets rewarded with a sticker claiming outstanding eye appeal? Has anyone submitted a book and not received a sticker? If paying for the service guarantees a sticker will be issued, then it's a money-making scam. I have been a high school teacher for almost 15 years (second career) and I constantly get junk mail asking for names of my best students. These companies want names and addresses so that they can publish fancy, gold-embossed, hard-cover books with pictures of students with small write-ups of their accomplishments and sell them to their parents and relatives at crazy prices. Wouldn't you want a copy of a book like "Who's Who of Our Nation's Top High School Seniors" with a picture of your kid in it? The only qualifications you need are to pay for x-amount of books when you submit your phot and write-up.
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Why just the women? I like bears. 3.44K	3.44K Gaard private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	CVA sticker = CBCS check mark ... correct? So there would be no reason to send them a CBCS slabbed comic?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Gaard CVA sticker = CBCS check mark ... correct? So there would be no reason to send them a CBCS slabbed comic? There's no reason to send them any graded comic as long as you have working eyes. Plus, you don't have to pay extra for the check mark.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	100 point grading system solves it all and puts these dudes out of business (if this is actually a profitable business as it is lol)
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	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer 100 point grading system solves it all and puts these dudes out of business. 100 point grading system solves it some, but doesn't put those dudes out of business. If they are legitimate, then the reason someone would send the book in is not for them...but for potential customers. The only reason a service like this would be of use is to buy and sell over the internet. It's not about telling you what your book looks like. It's about telling potential buyers. I can't examine a book I don't have in hand.
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Like I said...you want to see what will happen with comics, just look at coins. It will come, sooner or later.
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	Coins are not comics.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego You said, "they are identifying copies that have superior eye appeal." That's not quite what I said...you know, since we're being precise. What I said was: "They're identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade." Not just "superior eye appeal", though that's part of it. Since we're being precise. Quote: Originally Posted by DL I said they are saying "yep, that looks good." That is exactly the same thing. I just said it using humor and sarcasm. Did that concept escape you? Oh, no, not at all. I was simply clarifying for you, in case you thought they were just saying "yup, that looks good!", which isn't what they are doing. Since we're being so precise, "yup, that looks good" doesn't mean the same thing at all as "identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade." The latter, of course, is far more technical and precise, while the former could mean pretty much anything. Since we're going for precision and whatnot. Do you want to know what came to my mind when I read this? The scene in Ghostbusters 2 where Ray asks Egon about not having any toys, not even a Slinky, and Egon responded "We had half a Slinky...I straightened it."
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Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Quote: Originally Posted by DocBrown Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego You said, "they are identifying copies that have superior eye appeal." That's not quite what I said...you know, since we're being precise. What I said was: "They're identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade." Not just "superior eye appeal", though that's part of it. Since we're being precise. Quote: Originally Posted by DL I said they are saying "yep, that looks good." That is exactly the same thing. I just said it using humor and sarcasm. Did that concept escape you? Oh, no, not at all. I was simply clarifying for you, in case you thought they were just saying "yup, that looks good!", which isn't what they are doing. Since we're being so precise, "yup, that looks good" doesn't mean the same thing at all as "identifying examples that have superior eye appeal and structure within the range of a specific grade." The latter, of course, is far more technical and precise, while the former could mean pretty much anything. Since we're going for precision and whatnot. Do you want to know what came to my mind when I read this? The scene in Ghostbusters 2 where Ray asks Egon about not having any toys, not even a Slinky, and Egon responded "We had half a Slinky...I straightened it." I liked Egon. I was sad when Ramis died.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa I prefer to think that it's not about "winning" or "losing", but the sharing of ideas. If everyone learns, everyone wins.
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