Is that hysterical 'CVA' ruse still around?2262
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| Why? I'm still trying to figure this out....why? *whispers privately* Pyramid scheme maybe? LOL |
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| I'll stick with a certified "checkmark" or "asterisk"....thanks anyhow CVA. | ||
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I'd like to know who are the people who are sending slabs to them? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Why do you think it was a "ruse"...? |
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DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Really...?  |
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KiloGraham private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Most people would classify this as an unnecessary service. Do you really need to pay someone to look at your book and tell you it looks good? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham Who are "most people"? How do you know? This is a service that has been around in coins for a while (since 2007, in fact, referring to CAC.) The answer to your question is twofold: 1. This isn't a service for people to tell YOU how good YOUR books look. This is a service that tells people who might be interested in buying the book if it is a superior book for the grade given, or an average (or even subpar) copy. There are many qualities of a book that just can't be seen in a scan or picture, and grading doesn't (yet) cover all of these qualities. 2. With the inability of many, many buyers of slabs these days to grade for themselves, it helps to have a second opinion. Grading companies make mistakes, too. So, for many people, yes, paying someone to tell you your book looks good is a service they'd find worthwhile. I don't work for CVA, and haven't been too impressed with their output thus far (though I haven't been unimpressed, either), but the principle is sound. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown You're right, I concede. To each is own. I personally wouldn't use the service, but I'll agree that some may see the value. I guess in theory the service could benefit books graded lower from internal damage or things that aren't visible. I would just look at the graders notes though. |
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KiloGraham private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hey @DocBrown, I'm taking it you've used the service before, can you share more about it and maybe inform us? Do you happen to have any pictures? Grading, albeit subjective, has a numerical system to it, where certain things are deducted based on points. Is that how CVA works? Share your knowledge.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham No, never used it. I don't see the market benefit to it yet. It's going to take a lot more market acceptance to be worth it to me. But, with both the major grading services being overly protective of the 9.9 and above grades, I can foresee use in the future. In other words, I have quite a few books that I WILL NOT submit because both services "default" to 9.8, even if a book is clearly a superior copy. If CVA or another service gains market acceptability, that may be the way to go. |
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| But there are 9.9s and 10s in the wild, so why are you so sure your superior copies would not break 9.8? | ||
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| So this is basically the same as CBCS's check mark? Whereas they would supply their sticker to a CGC graded book, if you had a CBCS graded book, you wouldn't use this service because CBCS would've supplied their own "star"? |
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KiloGraham private msg quote post Address this user | |
| After running "cva exceptional" through eBay, only four results came back. All cgc slabs, grading 9.0 9.4 9.6 9.8. I don't know how a 9.8 can LOOK better than a 9.8 and not be actually graded higher but CVA does. Another thing to note is that all four slabs were the old style of cgc slabs, their website gallery also only shows the old style of slabs. There's a silver sticker and a gold sticker, the gold is stated as rarely ever used, but there's no actual information about how they determine what's exceptional and what's not or what would qualify for the gold over the silver sticker really. I'll reply to the response I received from them later with a few more questions and see what we can find out. On a side note I think we should kickstarter a venture that assigns exceptional grades based on ear appeal determined by the way the sound resonates when you tap the case with your finger tip. Here's a snap of one of the auctions, It looked like it also had a ComicLink sticker on the back. I wonder if she comes with the slab?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Because I've submitted about 5,000 books to CGC, a couple hundred to CBCS, have seen tens of thousands more, and, coming from the coin field, where flaws are measured under magnification, was obsessive about perfection decades before the rest of the market was. They simply do not give them out (and yes, I've gotten 9.9s and 10s. At a certain level, you can't really deny it to a book.) And, statistics. There are over a million 9.8s on the CGC census. There are only 10,000 or so 9.9s, and 2,000 or so 10s. Those numbers aren't statistically realistic, based on the grade distribution of the rest of the grades, without active "suppression" of the top grades. Not a "conspiracy" just a...perhaps even subconscious..."we don't give out 9.9s and 10s to protect our reputation. If we give out too many 9.9s and 10s, then people will take us less seriously." That idea may not have even been expressed in thought...but it does exist. There are plenty of copies of books that are superior to the "typical" 9.8...that still land in 9.8 slabs, because that is the default top grade. I even had someone at CGC...a director, no less...ask me once, with an incredulous tone in his voice: "you were expecting higher than 9.8..?" on a particular couple of books, as if I was crazy to even suggest it. That says everything about it, right there. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham I can. I've got slabs here that are 9.8s that are weak 9.8s, and slabs that are 9.8s that contain nearly flawless books. That's what they're looking at (I presume): is this copy an exceptional example for this grade, or is it typical? Grading is subjective, and varies with everyone over time. By the way...as mentioned before, there are other qualities to a book that can't be seen in a picture...like depth of color, gloss, and even wear and tear that doesn't break color. |
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KiloGraham private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown Good points. You could place multiple copies of the same book 9.8 next to each other and one may have much brighter colours than the others. |
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| @DocBrown I totally agree that there are better looking and conversely, not as good-looking, slabs in each of the grades. And the best way to tell is to hold a slab in your hands and look at it with your own eyes. This is not possible when buying on-line, so you have to go by scans. Sometimes the book you buy looks better than you thought, and sometimes it doesn't. So maybe if I was looking at two slabs of the same comic with the same grade and the same price, a fancy sticker from CVA might help sway my choice. Maybe not. But I don't think I would pay a premium for that sticker, and I would never pay a company for that service. One of my biggest peeves about grading, by the way, is cover gloss and fading. I have seen too many bleached out covers in slabs with higher grades than much better looking comics with minor stains on their back covers. How many points does a comic lose for a faded cover? Since the whole appearance of the book is based on the front cover (unless you display your slabs with the backs showing), shouldn't a bleached-out front cover automatically be considered a low grade? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown The bolded is why it's a ruse. That is what CVA is counting on. The suckers who feel as if they need a second opinion on a graded book. And yes, I know that not all 9.8's etc are created equal. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KiloGraham I saw a slabbed book with one of those huge white miswrap stripes down the side..and there was a CVA sticker on it. I didn't take them seriously before that. After that... |
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| If you want to nitpick about something subjective you can backtrack and claim it's all a useless service. Everything subjective is useless. | ||
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VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown I don't think it WAS a ruse. It IS a ruse, fact! |
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VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DocBrown P.T. Barnum! |
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Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by VillageIdiot Maybe we should start a company where we verify CVA's verification?   |
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VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 Hmmmmmm  |
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Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by VillageIdiot CVAV - verified awesome $$$$$$$$$$ |
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| Maybe I'll start a company that verifies their verification. I'm thinking king I could charge a $100 a book. |
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VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 I like it. However, if I may offer one suggestion. Although "Awesome" has always been and will forever be, an awesome word. I believe this business calls for something a bit more BOMBbastic, a tad more dramatic. I'm thinking verified 'Stupendous' perhaps 'Superlative' how about 'Galactic'? maybe even 'Majestic'...anyway, you get it  |
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Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by VillageIdiot How about this: CVAV - verified majestic - It's only another $10 |
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