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I am not an illiterate plagiarist. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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I also need to state that the sales are not auctions. You open yourself up to all kinds of disappointments when you place books that aren't in high demand or top census into an auction format. Mark my words, there will be tears.

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It hurts watching someone give their books away in auctions. Wait for the price that makes you happy.
Unless your selling something like these




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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Hey.....

Wasn't there a lawsuit against PSA for poaching CBCS employees???....gonna say that gets dropped?
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
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Hey.....

Wasn't there a lawsuit against PSA for poaching CBCS employees???....gonna say that gets dropped?


I forgot about that. Seems like they found a simple solution.
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I’m not sure they know they’re taking one for the team. Drogio private msg quote post Address this user
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No way I’m going to PSA if CBCS is discontinued. I guess I’ll start dealing with CGC again. Maybe thE new competition will push CGC to be more consistent in their grading.



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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@KatKomics & @flanders, I guess I was too subtle in my reference. 😉
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On a side note, I wonder how those former CBCS people who had been recruited to PSA might play into this. Hopefully they would look to reintegrate and push for the CBCS side as opposed to the PSA side.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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It remains a mystery to me that after (at LEAST) 2 years, people still either don't know or don't care that CGC is still damaging/bending nearly every single Modern book they encapsulate.

I can somewhat understand the "i dont care" thought process if they still sell to those that "dont know".
But how in the age of instantaneous information availability does one not know they're effin bending books??

I mean, how the eff, as a collector and buyer of slabs does one not know the prevalence of this tragedy?

On the scale of severity of slabbing complaints, damaging books is infinity worse than "accuracy", "ugly labels", "dont like cases", "dont like PSA/CBCS", ETC
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
There are enough CGC zealots out there that don't care, don't know and believe the "within tolerance" CGC response. The rest are the minority.

Its possible CGC is too big to fail.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Its widely known and should be even wider known that scandal after scandal after scandal at CGC...crap holders etc. should have relegated CGC to PGX status...and yet, CGC still holds the top spot.... crazy!

This mystery is right up there with DB Cooper, JFK and Roswell.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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On the scale of severity of slabbing complaints, damaging books is infinity worse than "accuracy", "ugly labels", "dont like cases", "dont like PSA/CBCS", ETC


This is in direct contradiction to the fundamental tenet of what a third party grader is suppose to do. They grade then protect....they're not suppose to damage....its crazy that CGC isn't crucified by the majority of collectors for this.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Rome fell. Just sayin'.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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This is in direct contradiction to the fundamental tenet of what a third party grader is suppose to do. They grade then protect....they're not suppose to damage....its crazy that CGC isn't crucified by the majority of collectors for this.


Its kinda funny/sad. I had read about the complaints years ago. And like any other online complaining im like "meh ... its just complainers and/or isolated. Sh&t happens i thought to myself".

Then I got modern books back from them - bent
Then another batch months later - bent
Then cos i like beatings, I sent more modern books in a third time - bent.
Interestingly, it did NOT happen on vintage submissions though during that timeframe

I lost my modern mind at that point and realized it was likely/always happening; not just here and there. That was that
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Rome fell. Just sayin'.


For sure...so did MCI, Exxon, etc....but those are critical, important institutions to peoples lives. Third party grading for the most part, people control their buying habits up to and including immediate stopage...TPG, for the most part, is purely disposable....so people dont care as much.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by GAC
This is in direct contradiction to the fundamental tenet of what a third party grader is suppose to do. They grade then protect....they're not suppose to damage....its crazy that CGC isn't crucified by the majority of collectors for this.


Its kinda funny/sad. I had read about the complaints years ago. And like any other online complaining im like "meh ... its just complainers and/or isolated. Sh&t happens i thought to myself".

Then I got modern books back from them - bent
Then another batch months later - bent
Then cos i like beatings, I sent more modern books in a third time - bent.
Interestingly, it did NOT happen on vintage submissions though during that timeframe

I lost my modern mind at that point and realized it was likely/always happening; not just here and there. That was that


I luckily didn't/don't collect modern very often....but when I have, I've gotten the bends!
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Just wait.

At least with PSA and CBCS, they are and were bought by a collectibles focused entity. Blackrock or Blackwhatever are not collectible focused. Odds are the cgc will get dumped at some point when they become more liability than profit.

People may be slow to act, but they know. At some point, it's not going to be pretty.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Plus, even people who are complaining keep sending in new SS submissions and buying books in newly graded slabs.

If they don't stop buying, why would anyone else?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Just wait.

At least with PSA and CBCS, they are and were bought by a collectibles focused entity. Blackrock or Blackwhatever are not collectible focused. Odds are the cgc will get dumped at some point when they become more liability than profit.

People may be slow to act, but they know. At some point, it's not going to be pretty.


Very valid points! and I would totally agree except for one point.

CGC has a 16(?) year head start on grading. 90+% of all important books, collections are on their slabs. CGC has a rock hard collection foundation. Thats going to be tough to crack...I'd say almost impossible...regardless of how happy I'd be to see that happen....but your 100% right about Blackrock.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
You know, I don't particularly want to see the cgc fail. I am not one of their, let's say, fans. That said, I would be just as satisfied if they could simply manage to straighten up and fly right, as they say.

Also, I don't think they will ever go away, per se. Someone would buy the brand.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Plus, even people who are complaining keep sending in new SS submissions and buying books in newly graded slabs.

If they don't stop buying, why would anyone else?


This is very true!

I've bought some current CGC slabs....not of really modern comics...I typically ask if the book is bent before buying, but I have received bent books...but because of what I collect, the bent books I have bought (by accident) are few.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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You know, I don't particularly want to see the cgc fail. I am not one of their, let's say, fans. That said, I would be just as satisfied if they could simply manage to straighten up and fly right, as they say.

Also, I don't think they will ever go away, per se. Someone would buy the brand.


CGC needs to be humbled and brought down a few pegs. They operate as if they're too big to fail. They have a perception of not carrying about the hobby and catering to a few select high profile collectors/businesses.

This is what needs to change and then the grading, slabs, etc follies corrections should follow suit.
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
CGC started grading comic submissions in 2000. CBCS started in 2014, and I started using them in 2015. CBCS helped me rekindle my interest in the hobby. For the most part, I had stopped buying comics for 20+ years. Then my son talked me into going to a comic convention where I saw booths for both CGC and CBCS. The people at the CGC booth showed little interest in answering my questions and honestly came across as snobs. The people at the CBCS booth eagerly answered my questions, treated me with respect, and their love and interest in comics was apparent. It was not a difficult choice to make about which company to use.

Here’s an old short article about the “new” guy:

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Unfortunately, not much has changed since that article was published (except for the grading prices!). CBCS has never been able to make a significant dent in CGC’s dominance. CGC remains the choice of big dealers, collectors, and flippers, who are blind to CGC’s repeated scandals and issues, and point out every instance that a CGC book sells for more than the same book in a CBCS case (but not vice-versa). CBCS seems to be more of a niche market at this time. Previously they were frequently used for signature verification, now they seem to be primarily used by savvy collectors who appreciate a quality product and are not as interested in the immediate re-sale of their books. Hopefully they will continue to exist for collectors who appreciate the product over the glitz and empty rhetoric of the other companies.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
Damn! I wish I could give this comment more than a 3 check rating.

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CGC started grading comic submissions in 2000. CBCS started in 2014, and I started using them in 2015. CBCS helped me rekindle my interest in the hobby. For the most part, I had stopped buying comics for 20+ years. Then my son talked me into going to a comic convention where I saw booths for both CGC and CBCS. The people at the CGC booth showed little interest in answering my questions and honestly came across as snobs. The people at the CBCS booth eagerly answered my questions, treated me with respect, and their love and interest in comics was apparent. It was not a difficult choice to make about which company to use.

Here’s an old short article about the “new” guy:

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Unfortunately, not much has changed since that article was published (except for the grading prices!). CBCS has never been able to make a significant dent in CGC’s dominance. CGC remains the choice of big dealers, collectors, and flippers, who are blind to CGC’s repeated scandals and issues, and point out every instance that a CGC book sells for more than the same book in a CBCS case (but not vice-versa). CBCS seems to be more of a niche market at this time. Previously they were frequently used for signature verification, now they seem to be primarily used by savvy collectors who appreciate a quality product and are not as interested in the immediate re-sale of their books. Hopefully they will continue to exist for collectors who appreciate the product over the glitz and empty rhetoric of the other companies.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
PSA has little chance of cracking the slabbed comic market on its own as well.

And I don't see card submitters suddenly deciding to start slabbing comic books either.
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Plus, even people who are complaining keep sending in new SS submissions and buying books in newly graded slabs.

If they don't stop buying, why would anyone else?


I agree 100%.

So many complain about everything CGC yet they keep going back to them.

From day one!! When I first learned about getting comic books graded. I checked out both CGC and CBCS.

CGC did not impress me at all. CBCS were friendly, helpful, knew their stuff 100%, had lower prices and didn't try to give me a hard sell.

Needless to say I've never submitted anything to CGC only to CBCS for the last ten years.
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