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3rd Party Grading: Too Lenient vs. Too Tough2202

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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by ThreeSeas More ramblings from this comics collector. To compare us to another hobby, coins and slabbed coins. Aren't there like five major coin grading companies? and don't they seem to agree on grades with each other? And after only being around for 30 or so years there are still quite a few grading companies there. But that may be due to there being more coin collectors than comic collectors. I guess I am just wishing for some consistency like the coin graders have, or at least that is how it seems to be to me. Maybe that is not the right way to say it. I wish that there was more openness on how grades are determined. I mean do the comic graders use a check sheet with various boxes that that are checked for each flaw? Maybe with a few columns noting the flaws. Or do they just look at a book and say, oh that is a 7.0? Spot on.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. 30.37K	30.37K drchaos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Correct me if im wrong, but isnt cgc's 10 point grading system, just a modified/more detailed grading system than Overstreet? Or was it overstreet who changed theirs to conform to cgc's grading standards? Hard to say since CGC refuses to officially disclose its grading standards even though it offers grader's notes for a price. While I would prefer that CGC fully disclose its exact grading standards / rules I get it that they don't want us armchair quarterbacks having such a tool to use in an argument that our 9.6 book should really be a 9.8.
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Collector 307	307 Comicdey private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I've found cgc to be getting a little more in line with my grading recently and maybe even a bit looser. For a while they were tighter when I submitted a bunch of OO books. They ebb and flow. From what I've seen of CBCS and that's limited to these boards. They appear more consistent.
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I just cracked 15 of my 9.8 cgc books to submit to CBCS. Honestly, I'm terrified now to submit them. I have seen many videos were people are getting low grades on brand new off the shelf books, I'm stressing what my 1980's books would get. I'm wondering if I should have left them CGC slabbed at 9.8.. thoughts? encouragement is greatly welcomed. I've lost sleep and my wife is sick of me talking / hearing about it.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@mattness books from certain eras get graded on slightly different curves. If say 90% of all books from publisher XYZ during 19XX display the same particular defect, that defect won't be treated as harshly as if the book were a 20XX where high grade copies tend to be practically perfect.
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @mattness books from certain eras get graded on slightly different curves. If say 90% of all books from publisher XYZ during 19XX display the same particular defect, that defect won't be treated as harshly as if the book were a 20XX where high grade copies tend to be practically perfect. Ah ok. Thanks Darth that helps relieve some stress.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. 30.37K	30.37K drchaos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness I just cracked 15 of my 9.8 cgc books to submit to CBCS. Honestly, I'm terrified now to submit them. I have seen many videos were people are getting low grades on brand new off the shelf books, I'm stressing what my 1980's books would get. I'm wondering if I should have left them CGC slabbed at 9.8.. thoughts? encouragement is greatly welcomed. I've lost sleep and my wife is sick of me talking / hearing about it. I would advise agsinst doing any more of that. Aside from the additional expense to have it graded a second time your odds of a 9.6 or even a 9.4 are much greater than a 9.9. The only reason I would think of cracking a CGC 9.8 out for submission to CBCS would be to get a green label signed book authenticated. Even then my feeling would be not to crack it as I was lucky to get a 9.8 in the first place. The best time to ask for advice on this forum is before you tske action.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Sometimes the motivation for cracking a CGC slab is just because.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.14K	80.14K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness I just cracked 15 of my 9.8 cgc books to submit to CBCS. Honestly, I'm terrified now to submit them. I have seen many videos were people are getting low grades on brand new off the shelf books, I'm stressing what my 1980's books would get. I'm wondering if I should have left them CGC slabbed at 9.8.. thoughts? encouragement is greatly welcomed. I've lost sleep and my wife is sick of me talking / hearing about it. Don't sweat it...hopefully some come back a little higher.
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quite frankly I wanted to get rid of my CGC slabs I didn't want to support them anymore..obviously my intentions were good but I'm a newbie and this was a newb move.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@mattness The first noble truth. All happiness comes equally with suffering. If you decide the happiness (good reasons for) submitting your books to CBCS is worth any suffering that comes with it, you can accept both and a 9.4 won't look so bad if it happens. If you can't accept that, then dont submit them. Yin yang all that bs sorry for the religious crap yeah I'm a buddhist lol good luck man
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. 30.37K	30.37K drchaos private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness Quite frankly I wanted to get rid of my CGC slabs I didn't want to support them anymore..obviously my intentions were good but I'm a newbie and this was a newb move. Best way would be to sell the CGC slabs on ebay and use the money towards your new CBCS books and grading fees.
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by drchaos Quote: Originally Posted by mattness Quite frankly I wanted to get rid of my CGC slabs I didn't want to support them anymore..obviously my intentions were good but I'm a newbie and this was a newb move. Best way would be to sell the CGC slabs on ebay and use the money towards your new CBCS books and grading fees. I thought about that when I was through cracking 3/4 my stack but I couldn't stop it was weird. I do have four more CGC books that I wish I could swap to CBCS. I think I'll give your idea a try. Thanks @drchaos
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @mattness The first noble truth. All happiness comes equally with suffering. If you decide the happiness (good reasons for) submitting your books to CBCS is worth any suffering that comes with it, you can accept both and a 9.4 won't look so bad if it happens. If you can't accept that, then dont submit them. Yin yang all that bs sorry for the religious crap yeah I'm a buddhist lol good luck man So true..It's just the money aspect. I paid 9.8 prices and it would suck to lose that. I would be happier owing all CBCS books..Now could I be happy with all 9.4s OUCH! I must meditate on that
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Haha really tho all 9.4s isnt gonna happen. Look them over carefully, you'll know what's what. Difference between 98 and 94 is obvious more often than not
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.14K	60.14K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @mattness The first noble truth. All happiness comes equally with suffering. If you decide the happiness (good reasons for) submitting your books to CBCS is worth any suffering that comes with it, you can accept both and a 9.4 won't look so bad if it happens. If you can't accept that, then dont submit them. Yin yang all that bs sorry for the religious crap yeah I'm a buddhist lol good luck man So true..It's just the money aspect. I paid 9.8 prices and it would suck to lose that. I would be happier owing all CBCS books..Now could I be happy with all 9.4s OUCH! I must meditate on that Send them back to the cgc and see if they all come back 9.8s. If they do, sell them and buy CBCS. If they don't, then you'll have a nifty new thread you can start.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside?
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Collector 135	135 Nino_013 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.14K	60.14K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself If you disregard the numerical grade, then why get the book graded at all?
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Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	My two cents about mattness's situation: 1) If these 9.8's are common modern books, he should have sold the CGC's and re-bought CBCS 9.8's. 2) If these are expensive 9.8's, there is no way I would crack them and risk a downgrade! The difference between a 9.8 and 9.6 in a valuable book can be hundreds of dollars. I certainly hope it's not the second scenario.
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Collector 135	135 Nino_013 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself If you disregard the numerical grade, then why get the book graded at all? Because i like the look of graded books as opposed to bags/boards.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.14K	80.14K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself If you disregard the numerical grade, then why get the book graded at all? Because i like the look of graded books as opposed to bags/boards. Not sure if you're aware but you can purchase holders that look like a book is slabbed..label and info on the comic attached, just no assigned grade and at a fraction of the cost of graded books. This is one example: https://www.monstahonline.com/products/comic-skin-reusable-slab
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Collector 135	135 Nino_013 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself If you disregard the numerical grade, then why get the book graded at all? Because i like the look of graded books as opposed to bags/boards. Not sure if you're aware but you can purchase holders that look like a book is slabbed..label and info on the comic attached, just no assigned grade and at a fraction of the cost of graded books. Yes i seen them. I dont like them. They look like sh it. And they cost $17
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@GAC those holders cost $15 each...at that price grading is more attractive, unless you want to be able to read the book.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.14K	80.14K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @GAC those holders cost $15 each...at that price grading is more attractive, unless you want to be able to read the book. You're right..especially in the case of modern books.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.14K	80.14K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Nino_013 Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego If they are to stay in your personal collection is a 9.4 really so bad? It's still the same exact book you purchased, just with a different third party opinion attached to it. Or did you purchase the number on the label instead of the book inside? Spot on man. More people need to think more this way. Too much focus is placed on the little number than the actual book itself If you disregard the numerical grade, then why get the book graded at all? Because i like the look of graded books as opposed to bags/boards. Not sure if you're aware but you can purchase holders that look like a book is slabbed..label and info on the comic attached, just no assigned grade and at a fraction of the cost of graded books. Yes i seen them. I dont like them. They look like sh it. And they cost $17 I'm not a fan of the look myself.
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Collector 307	307 Comicdey private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 10
	Quote: Originally Posted by mattness I just cracked 15 of my 9.8 cgc books to submit to CBCS. Honestly, I'm terrified now to submit them. I have seen many videos were people are getting low grades on brand new off the shelf books, I'm stressing what my 1980's books would get. I'm wondering if I should have left them CGC slabbed at 9.8.. thoughts? encouragement is greatly welcomed. I've lost sleep and my wife is sick of me talking / hearing about it. Yeah. That was just silly. It's silly to crack any 9.8's
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	I think eating pickles is silly, but I don't tell pickle eaters they are being silly. Do what you want.
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COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I cracked this book and it's going to CBCS next week. It will be pre-screened at 9.8 and after going over it I think I'm safe. Or I hope I'm safe. I've seen some CBCS 9.8 sales but I missed them so I'm going to shoot for my own.
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Collector 1.54K	1.54K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Comicdey Quote: Originally Posted by mattness I just cracked 15 of my 9.8 cgc books to submit to CBCS. Honestly, I'm terrified now to submit them. I have seen many videos were people are getting low grades on brand new off the shelf books, I'm stressing what my 1980's books would get. I'm wondering if I should have left them CGC slabbed at 9.8.. thoughts? encouragement is greatly welcomed. I've lost sleep and my wife is sick of me talking / hearing about it. Yeah. That was just silly. It's silly to crack any 9.8's I don't think so. There are quite a few videos on youtube with people cracking CGC and submitting to CBCS. CBCS has better archival quality slabs and that is desirable. This and the fact I didn't want any CGC books led me to crack mine.
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