Batman 457 2nd Prnt UPC : SINGLE GRADED COPY2196

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Given the last thread on this... um, why?

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
Given the last thread on this... um, why?

Originally Posted by MR_SigS
I wasn't aware of this book. I new nothing of it. I'd love to learn about it's situation here while we're on the subject.

Originally Posted by DarthLego
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Originally Posted by MR_SigS
I wasn't aware of this book. I new nothing of it. I'd love to learn about it's situation here while we're on the subject.

http://comicbookinvest.com/2015/07/15/the-six-variants-of-batman-457/

Originally Posted by CBSI
There are several factors that make the Second Print Newsstand Edition so rare: First is the rarity of Newsstand Editions overall in 1990. Only 15% of all books were Newsstand Editions at the time due to a shift in distribution to direct sales. That 15% gets smaller when you consider that unsold books would have the first cover ripped off and returned to the publisher.

Originally Posted by shrewbeer
I see two in the ebay sold search, one at 150bin and a full set of all variants 454 auction. Asking 2k for an 8.5 seems steep 🤢

I'll def keep a lookout anyways at the next few cons.

@DocBrown I completely see your point(s). However I think this rare book isn't known enough yet for us to conclude that it's actually rare yet. What percentage of of collectors know to look for it? Id say very few. What percentage of store boxes and con/flea boxes have been combed through for it so far? Again I'd say just a few percent

and no to the bet , I only gamble with those I know and trust. Tx for the offer lol

Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
I see two in the ebay sold search, one at 150bin and a full set of all variants 454 auction. Asking 2k for an 8.5 seems steep 🤢

I'll def keep a lookout anyways at the next few cons.

@DocBrown I completely see your point(s). However I think this rare book isn't known enough yet for us to conclude that it's actually rare yet. What percentage of of collectors know to look for it? Id say very few. What percentage of store boxes and con/flea boxes have been combed through for it so far? Again I'd say just a few percent

and no to the bet , I only gamble with those I know and trust. Tx for the offer lol

The copy that was bought via buy it now is the same copy that has been slabbed at 8.5.

The set of the 5 editions of this book sold in auction for under $500.The 2nd print newsstand is where the value was in that lot, the others are all over the place.

Do a search under Batman 457, comoleted auctions.

You'll see HUBDREDS if not thousands of the other 4 editions listed.

And a grand total of TWO copies of the 2nd print newsstand.

Originally Posted by MR_SigS
Thanks again Doc. Knowing of your pursuit of the truth and facts, that was very informative. Of course I will still read the link, but it's good to know this going in.

Originally Posted by DocBrown
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer


@DocBrown I completely see your point(s). However I think this rare book isn't known enough yet for us to conclude that it's actually rare yet. What percentage of of collectors know to look for it? Id say very few. What percentage of store boxes and con/flea boxes have been combed through for it so far? Again I'd say just a few percent

and no to the bet , I only gamble with those I know and trust. Tx for the offer lol

You're ignoring, or are not aware of, several facts surrounding this book:

1. It was a "very hot book" at the time of its publication. The other 5 "variants", as they are now known, were also known very shortly after the book was published. People who have paid attention to this issue were aware of the "000" copies from the time of publication.

2. This book would NOT have been produced for the newsstand, but perhaps for a specific retailer...perhaps Walmart...which had sold out of the first print newsstand copies it received. There was no mechanism in place for newsstand sales (distributed through Curtis Circulation) to order second printings at that time.

3. This book may not have been produced at the same time as the Direct second printing. It *probably* was, but there's no way of knowing for sure. DC had been reprinting their books for quite some time at this point, to include in their "multi-packs", which were distributed not to newsstands, but to stores like Walmart, K-Mart, JCPenney, and the like. However, since the amount of "collector packs" is generally known, and this book hasn't been found in any of them, they can generally be ruled out as a source.

4. As pointed out before, people have been looking for copies of this book for a very long time. The issue isn't a rare one, and has always been a rather popular one, so it's not like an obscure independent book that does hide in collections and dealers' stock. Despite very strong sales, going back a few YEARS, this book hasn't been "flushed out" in any great numbers. It's Batman, not Strawberry Shortcake.

5. However...while the issue was a hot one at release, it cooled down dramatically, and today can generally be found in dollar bins....meaning multiple copies would more likely have been tossed in the great purges of the late 90's, and any second print newsstands hiding among them had a greater chance of being included.

6. This book never went to comic shops in the first place, so any copies that subsequently made their way there would have been accidental, and, because it was a second printing, and later printings were considered worse than trash for a very long time, the odds are greater that this issue would have been tossed in the trash.

In other words: the book never had normal distribution to begin with, and, much like Spiderman #1 gold UPC, this isn't going to be a book that gets "overlooked" in any great numbers, because the numbers were never out there to begin with.

When you understand initial and subsequent distribution patterns and the market of the early 90's, you'll understand why that's the case. Therefore, because of all those facts, this isn't a case of "well, they're just hiding in people's collections."

No.

Like Sandman #75, this was a special case, and didn't follow the rules.

Kirk Ticknor, for example, has been looking for these books for a decade, maybe two.

Care to guess how many copies of Batman #457 I have...? Probably not, but the answer is "a lot", and I have never run across a copy, even accidentally, in over 26 years.

I HAVE run across several copies of Sandman #75 2nd, accidentally.

As far as the bet...sure, no problem. I'd be a fool for offering such a bet, too.