I sent a book to those other guys...21860
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| No, not CGC. The other other guys. PSA. It's an experiment. And so far, not the best experience. The submission process is annoying as all get out. There's no separate breakdown in the form for publisher, title, issue number, variant, etc. You know, the things that actually differentiate comic books from each other. There's just a single box to put all the information in, and no guidance as to what information is needed or what order to put it in. Then you get to the shipping instructions. You have to print out five sheets of paper: one sheet has a bar code that must be affixed to the outside of the shipping box, while the other four need to be included with your submission. They suggest holding everything together with rubber bands. If you are submitting multiple items, they must be stacked in the order provided by PSA. Then it all goes in the mail. I'm not a card collector. I play Magic, but all of my cards (no matter the value) are there to be played with. So I have never done a card submission to anyone. This process may be normal for card grading. It's dumb and annoying for comic grading. I was hoping PSA would be good competition; healthy competition improves the market. But the submission process sucks so bad, I don't know how amazing the product would have to be to make it worth it. As of now, I don't plan to ever send another book to them. For those wondering what my test case is, I sent the NYCC exclusive variant of Storm #1, which duplicates the Magic card in comic book size. Will update as the book progresses. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Sounds laborious. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Rubber bands??  |
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Briten private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Nuffsaid111 that’s all I needed to know. Good grief! | ||
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Version 1.0 of anything generally has problems, but it sounds like they didn't even model the process before implementing the software, and that speaks VOLUMES to mindset. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @figment And as many of their proponents have pointed out, they are not rookies. | ||
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sofluffy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment And frustratingly also signals a lack of attention to detail. Wouldn’t have taken but one or two collectors to try out the system, and they’d already know v1 was insufficient to make a good first impression. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There was probably a discussion amongst leadership about the timing of entering the market vs. a minimum level of readiness. It's likely strategic to enter the market now. | ||
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| "Go to market, get a black eye and bloody nose, and look like an idiot right out of the gate." Not exactly a business or leadership strategy I'd call strategic. I understand market pressures, but that would make the sales and marketing people I know run for the hills. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC With only two graders? Where's the strategy in that? | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @figment @DrWatson My thoughts are, this is PSA....a leader in the card market. A $100+ Million company...you don't get there without knowing something...there must be some intelligence there on how/when to release a new product line. There's probably factors at play we may not be privy too. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC You come at the king, you best not miss. -Omar Little (RIP) |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Well, the cgc is/was the world leader in comic book certification. Where is the logic and reasoning in what they have done lately? Past actions are no guarantee of future performance. |
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| I also created a submission through their website, though currently holding as it's a rather large one 30+ books and might make some edits. Yes, some of the service descriptions for the comic book submission seem to refer to their cards services, so those need some updating. When searching for the specific comic book, it appears that numerous variants populate. However, the preview image is blank, and not all specific descriptors of each variant are displayed (Multiples will just say "Marvel Comics X-Men 5 2025" with nothing afterwards to differentiate. There is an option to fill that information in yourself when submitting that specific book - I only hope that when they are grading and generating the labels that they generate the correct corresponding comic book information for said variants. Beyond that, the submission process to the end is typical of the other companies. During the comic input process, you can also adjust the insurance coverage for each comic book (the default covers up to $400 automatically for new moderns). I'll probably pull the trigger on this next week as more play funds free up for me, because I do want to give them a proper shot and see how things fare. |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Ha!!! Touché!! |
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| PSA slabs have Newton rings and horrible labels. Hard pass. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head Agreed...labels are terrible, but I hope they're legit because our hobby needs legitimacy. CBCS stands alone in that department...and another would be welcomed. |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Newton's Rings?!? Seriously?!? Those who do not learn from the past really are doomed to repeat it. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head I thought they were larger too..is that still the case? Cause...my slab boxes fit the standard slab sizes currently in the market... I'm not interested in finding another storage solution! |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Im told they are now the standard CBCS/CGC size... I don't believe they were seriously considering a larger slab...that's nuts. | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics When they came out as a demo to the public at a convention they were massive and heavy. They have corrected that and now are the same size as the other companies. They do have really bad Newton rings. |
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1979_03 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Where are u getting that ring info? The samples I held were crystal clear and perfect? | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 1979_03 YouTube videos everyone is talking about it. |
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @1979_03 This is just one video there are more. 5 out of 5 had Newton rings. https://youtu.be/MM3x7MxHEP0?si=YB7ArDCPYOtD7hQ1 |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head Wow....and those labels are horrible! Will be interesting to see the CGC fan boys reactions - I mean - they hammered CBCS for years about design and I would say all prior CBCS versions were better than the PSA label......even the CBCS rivets!!!! |
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| Like the cgc label is a work of art. Give me an effin' break. | ||
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's the "maybe this will give CGC some competition" video comments that crack me up. | ||
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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| @Zombie_Head What frustrates me with videos like this is that they do nothing to show how good the company is at actually grading books. You send in a bunch of modern unread books published in the last year, they all should be 9.8. Send in some Silver or Golden age books for crying out loud. Anyway, not a big fan of the PSA label, though that wouldn't be a stopping point for me. The slab itself looks fine. Definitely won't be submitting any though, especially with those newton rings. As far as encapsulation and quality goes, IMO, CBCS is the winner. I will say Banana-Gate has helped me from spending too much money. I avoided a bunch of CGC slabs in the MCS Prime Auction. But I did win 5 CBCS books, so pretty excited to have those in hand soon. |
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 I have not set up at a con since 2029.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This is how I think PSA thinks the secondary comic market will react to them. That is true to some extent given PSA's relationship with all the larger auction houses. But they are not doing themselves any favors with this rollout. What really seems to me to read as a self inflected gunshot wound is they are unarguably using that mindset in thier pricing for comic submissions. PSA simply used their pricing tables for card subs, and converted them to the same percentage based tables for comic subs....this means that for for all comics that aren't moderns with a declared $400 FMV or less, PSA's prices will be higher than both CGC and CBCS's. 45 second video partially explains this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79hMFtW-ygI AutomaticComics has been putting out good breakdowns/thoughts on PSA comic grading, here's the lot of them. @AutomaticComics/search?query=psa" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@AutomaticComics/search?query=psa Finally, I really hope that @CollectorsComics has a sit down with Mark Wilson, his old man and the head grader at PSA, to offer some constructive criticism on both these points...but especially PSA's decision to price their comic grading out of line with CGC both CGC and CBCS. CGC is by far the top comic grading company, by market share and realized secondary market prices....so, it's just not a good call to come out of the gate with pricing on their comic grading that is more than CGC's pricing, per FMV percentages. I want PSA to become a strong competitor to CGC, to lessen CGC's ability to monopolize the market as this hurts us all. PSA could do that, but they are very unlikely to accomplish that with their current approaches to submission handling and pricing. |
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @lawguy1977 video had like 3 10 grades so that tells me a lot. | ||
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