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Has the subtle scratch on the bottom of the cases been fixed yet?21838

I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
FYI - I verified the scratch exists on the magazine slabs as well. I have over 1,000 ungraded collectible magazines not to mention hundreds of comics if anyone is wondering why I care so much about a "line". It is clear from the YouTube videos discussing this topic, that generally, these lines should be addressed/fixed in most production instances, either due to causing a weakening of the part at that point, or for aesthetic reasons (comics). The only time these lines are acceptable in a production scenario are when they will be painted over with a layer of paint and won't be visible at all and don't cause any loss of structural integrity.

So, I'd still like to hear the official reasoning, but just from a laymen's point of view, either the supplier or possibly CBCS just hasn't adjusted their process enough to correct these case lines, but they should based on available info.


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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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That’s the part I’m somewhat confused about


I'm hoping it's not a case of "yeah, we can spend $400 to get the maintenance guy to fix it, but why bother when most customers don't even know it's there".

When in reality, from a QC standpoint, it SHOULD be "even though most customers haven't noticed it, some have, and we really should spend the $400 to fix this now."

The amount of business from me alone would pay for the fix if it was $400, just sayin'. Not to mention others who may switch.


CBCS isn't in the business of making plastic. They're in the business of gluing them together and charging for it. So if this was a process or machining fix, it's more likely $40K, not $400.

In that case, a "no thanks, we're good" is the most likely response to their slab supplier.
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Hmm... Moderated again! figment private msg quote post Address this user
Interesting, both of my recent reholders have this "scratch" but I couldn't see it until holding the books at exactly the right angle under a light. Looking at the book straight on I can't see it at all, and if I ever had noticed it I probably would have attributed it to "handling" be it mine or someone else's. To be honest I can't even tell if it's on the inside or the outside of the case.

If it really is consistent in all cases, then CBCS has something they should at least look at either in their own process or with the vendor. However, all things considered in the slabbing business, I would consider this a very minor issue comparatively and it does not affect my thinking when it comes to submitting to CBCS and not submitting to CGC.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
This is truly a non-issue not worthy of any prolonged consideration.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
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That’s the part I’m somewhat confused about


I'm hoping it's not a case of "yeah, we can spend $400 to get the maintenance guy to fix it, but why bother when most customers don't even know it's there".

When in reality, from a QC standpoint, it SHOULD be "even though most customers haven't noticed it, some have, and we really should spend the $400 to fix this now."

The amount of business from me alone would pay for the fix if it was $400, just sayin'. Not to mention others who may switch.


CBCS isn't in the business of making plastic. They're in the business of gluing them together and charging for it. So if this was a process or machining fix, it's more likely $40K, not $400.

In that case, a "no thanks, we're good" is the most likely response to their slab supplier.


You must not have watched the video above describing how to fix these weld lines. There are steps the operator is supposed to do to prevent them but they are not. It's a training issue with the supplier.
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I am not an illiterate plagiarist. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.

Ahhahaha 😂
I'm so thankful I don't have OCD
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
Posting once again for any who didn't see it. These lines are SUPPOSED to be worked out of the process. It literally says so in the video. So, either the supplier is ignorant/low quality, or they are purposely pawning off the product to CBCS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC01rcazldo
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.

Ahhahaha 😂
I'm so thankful I don't have OCD

All collectors have OCD. Some are just more obsessive compulsive than others.
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I am not an illiterate plagiarist. drmccoy74 private msg quote post Address this user
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Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.

Ahhahaha 😂
I'm so thankful I don't have OCD

All collectors have OCD. Some are just more obsessive compulsive than others.

Good Point.
I'm thankful that I can live with the plastic case around my protected comic book having a scratch
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.

Ahhahaha 😂
I'm so thankful I don't have OCD

All collectors have OCD. Some are just more obsessive compulsive than others.

Good Point.
I'm thankful that I can live with the plastic case around my protected comic book having a scratch
I just looked at 5 books and can’t find the matter being spoken of.
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I do what I can. TheShocker private msg quote post Address this user
@HeinzDad its kind of hard to see. I didnt notice mine till this post lol
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
It's not on all of mine. I have found at least two that didn't have it. If they do have it, then it's going to take something stronger than my eyes to find it. If that's the case, then it's even more of a non-issue than GAC mentioned above.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit.

Ahhahaha 😂
I'm so thankful I don't have OCD

All collectors have OCD. Some are just more obsessive compulsive than others.

Good Point.
I'm thankful that I can live with the plastic case around my protected comic book having a scratch

It's not even a scratch. It's made within the plastic, if it's even there. Like a wrinkle on your ball sack, it's just the way it's made.
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Pretty sure the Thing and my wife aren't the same height. PhilCoulson private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson Gave you a like just for somehow working "ball sack" into this conversation.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user

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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Per the vid, this is just something cosmetic, unless it’s not. Since I haven’t heard of CBCS cases breaking like the plastic shown, I deduce no problem. Now if one doesn’t care for the cosmetics that’s a personal issue, as in your decision to use the product or not.

Im not familiar with injection but casting and mold making is my job. Make the mold wider so the material doesn’t cool? Now the slabs are waaaay more bulky. A new gating system? That could be costly, more gates, more injection areas, more machines, etc.
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet! Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user
It’s almost like someone is butt hurt CGC is tanking and the only thing they can find bad about CBCS is a little line. No one cares about an almost non visible line.
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
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Per the vid, this is just something cosmetic, unless it’s not. Since I haven’t heard of CBCS cases breaking like the plastic shown, I deduce no problem. Now if one doesn’t care for the cosmetics that’s a personal issue, as in your decision to use the product or not.

Im not familiar with injection but casting and mold making is my job. Make the mold wider so the material doesn’t cool? Now the slabs are waaaay more bulky. A new gating system? That could be costly, more gates, more injection areas, more machines, etc.


You missed the point of the video.They said it is ONLY acceptable to leave if it covered completely with paint.The entire video was the exact opposite of what you managed to comprehend.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I still haven’t heard of CBCS cases shattering though. So…….. it’s acceptable. Unless you don’t like the cosmetics once again, don’t use CBCS.

Also, that video is generic AF, go ahead and trust any 2 minute vid online.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Per the vid, this is just something cosmetic, unless it’s not. Since I haven’t heard of CBCS cases breaking like the plastic shown, I deduce no problem. Now if one doesn’t care for the cosmetics that’s a personal issue, as in your decision to use the product or not.

Im not familiar with injection but casting and mold making is my job. Make the mold wider so the material doesn’t cool? Now the slabs are waaaay more bulky. A new gating system? That could be costly, more gates, more injection areas, more machines, etc.


You missed the point of the video.They said it is ONLY acceptable to leave if it covered completely with paint.The entire video was the exact opposite of what you managed to comprehend.


Acceptable by who's or what standard? That video has nothing to do with comic slabs....the only thing that video has in common with comic slabs is injection molding...and even that's not a 100% given. Maybe in the video, it's not acceptable for specific parts from a specific safety perspective but 100% acceptable for comic slabs. There is way too much attention given to this ghostly line on a CBCS slab that 99.9% of collectors couldn't give two sh!ts about. @Zombie_Head is right.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Life is binary, you are zero or one, no or yes. Everything boils down to that.

Send my massive 1000 mag collection to CBCS or not? Your choice. If that bothers OP then he is a zero, no, don’t send them.
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
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Per the vid, this is just something cosmetic, unless it’s not. Since I haven’t heard of CBCS cases breaking like the plastic shown, I deduce no problem. Now if one doesn’t care for the cosmetics that’s a personal issue, as in your decision to use the product or not.

Im not familiar with injection but casting and mold making is my job. Make the mold wider so the material doesn’t cool? Now the slabs are waaaay more bulky. A new gating system? That could be costly, more gates, more injection areas, more machines, etc.


You missed the point of the video.They said it is ONLY acceptable to leave if it covered completely with paint.The entire video was the exact opposite of what you managed to comprehend.


Acceptable by who's or what standard? That video has nothing to do with comic slabs....the only thing that video has in common with comic slabs is injection molding...and even that's not a 100% given. Maybe in the video, it's not acceptable for specific parts from a specific safety perspective but 100% acceptable for comic slabs. There is way too much attention given to this ghostly line on a CBCS slab that 99.9% of collectors couldn't give two sh!ts about. @Zombie_Head is right.


The point of the video is to show that the issue is actually fixable and that's all that matters. Not who cares about it, but that it's fixable with some tweaks to the process.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
You are ignoring the repercussions of fixing. One requires a thicker slab the other requires mucho dinero. Per the video.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Man, if watching a two minute video on injection molding makes you an authority on the subject, then after all the porn videos I've watched, then I should be a master... oh, nevermind.
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but... Rydog private msg quote post Address this user
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You are ignoring the repercussions of fixing. One requires a thicker slab the other requires mucho dinero. Per the video.


One of the solutions was also to simply modify the cooling time. I don't think that would cost that much money. Even if the video isn't 100% applicable to the scenario at CBCS at least it's something to digest, more than we've been given to understand from CBCS up to this point in time anyway. Hoping for more info soon.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Hey, where's that guy with the vegan mayonnaise custom title? I believe it might be applicable to this thread.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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No one cares about an almost non visible line.


I think the number of people discussing it, whether asking about a fix or defending the company's choice to ignore it, would prove you wrong.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
No, they are discussing it because it’s a nothing burger.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Man, if watching a two minute video on injection molding makes you an authority on the subject, ....


The assumptions and over-simplifications being made is hilarious...this is a literal non-issue to virtually everyone.
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