Has the subtle scratch on the bottom of the cases been fixed yet?21838
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| It's virtually non-existant. | ||
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| If it's in the mold, it won't be fixed. It's super expensive to have a new master mold created. It would have to be for another reason than a flaw that is virtually nonexistent. | ||
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 I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson The first word in your reply "IF" is what I'm focusing on. As far as I know, nobody has addressed if that is what is actually happening with these forever scratches. If we could at least get a description of the exact issue and why it can't be fixed or even modified so the marks are not visible that would be a big help in the understanding. If PSA had a forever 1" inch mark on all of their graded card cases that ran across the image front, I think PSA customers would demand some kind of official answer. I don't know why this case (pun intended) is any different. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog I think we're probably talking about degrees of magnitude of the imperfection. I'm guessing CBCS/most collectors don't see that flaw as an issue at all. I know some collectors want perfection on the slab but that flaw is so faint that it's not worth addressing it as there's so few complaints about it....that's my guess to what CBCS probably thinks. |
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| It's not even worth the polish and elbow grease to try and buff it out. However, Wade has made an appearance. Maybe he might have an "official" word on it. |
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| I’ve had this explained to me a few different ways at this point (it precedes my employment). Let me double check my understanding and I’ll have an update Monday. | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wade_Story Thank you Wade. Other than WHAT is causing it, could you please uncover why it is that the issue is unable to be fixed or at the very least modified so the scratch isn't visible anymore? i.e. if there's some jagged edge on the mold for example, couldn't that edge just be sanded down as to not leave a mark on the final product? Pardon my ignorance, but just spit-balling with my example. |
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| From my current understanding, while the resin is being injected, it fills the cavity of the mold. I guess the flow causes a ripple that doesn't completely heal before it solidifies. So it’s injection related in some way. I’ll talk to the manufacturing guy and find out more/confirm. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wade_Story But wouldn't that scenario create randomized ripples and not an exact line each and every time? |
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| That’s the part I’m somewhat confused about | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wade_Story I'm hoping it's not a case of "yeah, we can spend $400 to get the maintenance guy to fix it, but why bother when most customers don't even know it's there". When in reality, from a QC standpoint, it SHOULD be "even though most customers haven't noticed it, some have, and we really should spend the $400 to fix this now." The amount of business from me alone would pay for the fix if it was $400, just sayin'. Not to mention others who may switch. |
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| I can assure you if it was that cheap to fix I’d give them the cash myself. I don’t know if there actually is a fix based on the manufacturing process. I’m guessing they couldn’t use injection anymore, which would mean something completely different. | ||
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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| This is from Google AI: "Injection molding lines refer to the visible lines or marks left on plastic parts after the injection molding process. These lines are a result of the mold's parting line and the meeting of molten plastic flow fronts within the mold. While sometimes unavoidable, understanding and managing these lines is crucial for achieving desired part aesthetics and functionality." So it appears that it CAN happen with injection molding, but also states that they should be fixed/resolved if possible for aesthetic reasons, and that is what we are talking about here, the look of it. |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Just from my 5 minutes of research, it appears that these lines are a COMMON issue with injection molding, but in general, can and should be fixed by all accounts that I'm seeing. It has to do with a process problem, not a mold problem. Maybe a training issue? |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| The reality (likely) is CBCS do not maintaine these machines...they probably have a rudimentary maintenance understanding but anything involving this level of subtlety would require a professional specific to the technology. | ||
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| Do you think CBCS is manufacturing these cases? I don't. I figure they are delivered to CBCS headquarters already formed and ready to go. All they do is assemble the pieces. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC CBCS may or may not have this level of control over the machines, But even IF they did not, it would still be prudent for them to request the fix. And certainly if they DID have that level of control, there would be no excuse at all to not request that type of fix in the process. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson This is likely most accurate. |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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| Seriously? This is an issue? I can’t find a book I want right now because I don’t want a banana from the CGC. My recommendation is to not have anything re cased from CBCS. They don’t need someone busting balls about a “line” when you won’t get a banana or rings. |
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| PSA slabs look hideous hard pass on that grading company. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad Not to mention the possible change in grades. That will end in tears and countless pixels on the Interwebs. |
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I don't have any CBCS slabs myself, but...
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| FYI - I verified the scratch exists on the magazine slabs as well. I have over 1,000 ungraded collectible magazines not to mention hundreds of comics if anyone is wondering why I care so much about a "line". It is clear from the YouTube videos discussing this topic, that generally, these lines should be addressed/fixed in most production instances, either due to causing a weakening of the part at that point, or for aesthetic reasons (comics). The only time these lines are acceptable in a production scenario are when they will be painted over with a layer of paint and won't be visible at all and don't cause any loss of structural integrity. So, I'd still like to hear the official reasoning, but just from a laymen's point of view, either the supplier or possibly CBCS just hasn't adjusted their process enough to correct these case lines, but they should based on available info.  |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rydog CBCS isn't in the business of making plastic. They're in the business of gluing them together and charging for it. So if this was a process or machining fix, it's more likely $40K, not $400. In that case, a "no thanks, we're good" is the most likely response to their slab supplier. |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| Interesting, both of my recent reholders have this "scratch" but I couldn't see it until holding the books at exactly the right angle under a light. Looking at the book straight on I can't see it at all, and if I ever had noticed it I probably would have attributed it to "handling" be it mine or someone else's. To be honest I can't even tell if it's on the inside or the outside of the case. If it really is consistent in all cases, then CBCS has something they should at least look at either in their own process or with the vendor. However, all things considered in the slabbing business, I would consider this a very minor issue comparatively and it does not affect my thinking when it comes to submitting to CBCS and not submitting to CGC. |
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| This is truly a non-issue not worthy of any prolonged consideration. | ||
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| Think of it as a security feature. Any CBCS slab without it is counterfeit. | ||
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