CGC's handling of unverified sigs21670
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Saw this elsewhere. Not just unverifiable, but... "we think they're fake".     Just seems like an odd way to note this. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Not good. | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Yea, I agree. If they can't authenticate it, fine. But to label it as fake seems wrong. |
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 I do what I can.
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TheShocker private msg quote post Address this user | |
| š¤¦āāļø no way!! That's terrible. We'll hopefully buyers will read the label closely | ||
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weinsteinjt private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Wow! That should be at least a qualified grade. CGC is not consistent. | ||
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GothamBridge private msg quote post Address this user | |
| thats code for: we have absolutely no intention of returning even $1 of your money I sent a book to be authenticated to CBCS, they deemed it to be a forgery, they returned all but $8 to me, and shipped it back with a letter which stated their findings. That is how it should to be done. Slabbing it even after you believe it is a forgery, unless its what the customer asked for, is to me an obvious money grab. Pathetic. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Definitely should be a green label. Isn't that the point of the qualified grade? | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ouch. Who's going to want/buy that? No expert here, but those signatures look ok to me. No one signs exactly the same way every time. Especially Stan, at the end of his career. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 Agreed. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That looks like about $80-$100 wasted. Well not entirely wasted, as at least you received a "strong" opinion. Should have been a green label, "writing on cover" noted on the label, like they usually do. The grader notes could have said signatures could not be verified, and a form letter sent back with the slab as explanation. I don't know where you go from that rssult. |
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weinsteinjt private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GothamBridge Agreed, definite money grab on CGC part. CBCS definitely shows how it should be dealt with without adding insult to injury to the unsuspecting buyer. I would crack and re-submit it to CBCS. This could be CGC's reaction to Swagglehaus youtube video on "Smudgegate". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxB9GEsR3k |
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Grzegorzgrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Man that totally looks like a Lee/McFarlane signature to me. You should find a bunch of samples of a similar signature that has been authenticated already and go back at them. Why the heck is it a blue label anyway? You would think it would be green label at this point of the process. Dumb  . |
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GothamBridge private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Totally agree! The Green label seems to be a lot more appropriate. Quote: Originally Posted by weinsteinjt Agree 110%. Those signatures look legit to me. If they are not, at the very least you will get a written explanation as to why CBCS determines they are not. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ...and why capitalize NOT on the label? They should absolutely not be doing this...if they want to distinguish between a signature that was not requested to be verified vs. one that failed...they can use the word unverifiable......maybe "unverified" suggests the signature was not requested to be looked at. |
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Terk13 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have a McFarlane that looks almost exactly like that one. Watched him sign it in the late 90s. Maybe they see start and stops that I can not. I'm no expert but just by the picture I would have thought it was legit. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC = Canāt Get Consistent | ||
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The green label was used in the past (and still) to overlook a major flaw, such as a missing Marvel Value Stamp, a popped staple, a cut out coupon, a missing page, and even an UNVERIFIED signature (usually on the cover). Itās for the most part, a totally fake grade. Now that CGC is able to verify if a signature (or signatures) is/are valid, then shouldnāt the book get a blue label and take the grade deduction for writing on its cover since they know the sigs are fake? By the way, you used to be able to submit signed books and get a blue label, but with a lower grade than if you asked specifically for the green label. |
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mattness private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Wait, some of you got letters stating that your signatures werenāt authentic through CBCS? I just received a small sticker on the bag that said ādid not passā I couldnāt return it to the seller because I didnāt have any documents on saying why it didnāt pass, just a sticker. Thatās weird. I wonder why I didnāt get an explanation ā¹ļø | ||
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CapCityComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So I assume they deducted from the grade because of the signatures on the cover? In the past they've instead used the green labels with the signature annotated as "written on cover/first page" and not deduct from the grade, correct? Here's the CGC Certification grading notes on the book: "CGC Cert #4557805001 Title Spider-Man Issue 1 Issue Date 8/90 Issue Year 1990 Publisher Marvel Comics Grade 7.0 Page Quality WHITE Grade Date 2025-03-20 Grade Category Modern Label Text Stan Lee, Todd Mcfarlane autographs deemed NOT authentic. Art Comments Todd McFarlane story, cover & art Key Comments Lizard appearance. Grader Notes Stan Lee autograph deemed NOT authentic by JSA. Todd Mcfarlane autograph deemed NOT authentic by JSA." |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Things are not always what they deem to be. | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Makes you wonder how they were able to verify all those blotched/botched Stan Lee signatures and dole out the 9.8s. | ||
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I canāt get the cert to cone up. Thatās the first thing I tried to see if it was an April fools joke. | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @mattness same for me. Mine is real watched Stan Lee sign it in front of me. But CBCS couldnāt verify it. | ||
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
BOTH companies should do this... ... although greater accuracy with Stan's signature would be appreciated. This is another that I personally watched Stan sign. I was pissed, but at least I got a yellow label. If no signature passes, than a blue label with a grade hit for "writing" would be appropriate. |
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 I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| why im holding off grading my edge of spider-verse #2 (signed by latour, renzi and rodriguez_) 5th printing and secret was #8 (signed by Shooter,Beatty and Zeck). I know they are all legt (saw them sign them myself at a convention) but what if they were off on their signature that day enough to be not authenticated according to be cbcs or cgc. or a newbie thinks they are fake | ||
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 I have not set up at a con since 2029.
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PolarisNuclearSS2020 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Actually seems like as straight forward a way to label the sigs as inauthentic while downgrading the book (from ostensibly a 9.2 to 9.8) to a 7.0 for what amounts to 2 names written on the cover in marker. If anything, this is a good thing for an unlucky buyer who bought may have bought this book raw thinking the sigs look legit. Sucks for the submitter, but we don't know under what tier this book was submitted, it could have been subbed for CGC's sig verification....but I am pretty sure that CGC, like CBCS, gives submitter the option to not have a book graded/slabbed if it fails sig verification. |
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Kinsella5 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The Lee one doesn't look real to me, but at the same time I do realize a signature can change due to when/how it was signed and its possible that the Lee one is legit. The McFarlane one does look legit, he too has had various styles of signatures over the years and I have seen him in-person sign that very same way. | ||
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Kinsella5 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment Nice choice of book, I too had that issue signed (and #2) signed by both Lee and Moebius not long after they came out as a local store had Moebius in for a very rare store signing and Lee appeared at a convention shortly thereafter. I was quite pleased when the #1 came back a 9.8 and the #2 came back a 9.6. |
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I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| why id rather not grade at heroes con then grade with cgc | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Does this country as another black market against the cgxor just company buffoonery..... | ||
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