CBCS Announces New Service "Raw Grade!"2164
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I think this service serves a purpose. You get professional grading for books you dont want to spend on for encapsulation. CBCS offers another service that sets them apart from the competition. Good for them! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRig Can we see a damaged sticker to know the difference? |
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| There's still a lot of unanswered questions in this thread. Can we expect some incoming answers? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts I assume submissions for "raw grading" are done by handwriting out paper forms because I don't see it as a grading option online. Are there dealer/member discounts on this service? If not, I don't see it as a likely option for dealers - especially on moderns - because at $10 it's only $4 less than full encapsulation. I can see it being more useful for magazines - where it is a good deal less expensive than CGC - and Treasuries where there is no similar service from competitors. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRig i opened 1 today have a look   the upclose is how the label looks after you reattach it , the pattern goes from lines to lil hexagons thingies |
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| @IronMan The option is in there as a check box next to the grade screen checkbox. | ||
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| @gary_k is that 2mil Mylites they are using? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego correct and fullback board |
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| @gary_k Thanks for sharing this! I was going to see if that was the only way to get an answer on this was to buy one and open it. I hope you planned on opening it anyhow? That does make me feel a little better about the service. It looks kinda hard to fake. But still you dont know either way until you open it... |
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| Nice, I'd pay a dealer a little more for that. | ||
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| @BigRig No problem , i bought it to press and try to bump up to 9.8 if possible , its a classic x-men #1 art adams cover. 9.2 The bad part is the back cover ( of coarse two back color breaks and storage roll ) so i think this book will be 9.6 TOPS but yeah i wanted to mess around with one anyway for $20 it was a learning exp. at least. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Thanks Darth!! That answers several questions. I went in and did a mock order (which I later cancelled) There is no dealer pricing on raw books, a modern was $10. Since dealer price is $14 for an ENCAPSULATED, RESTORATION CHECKED modern, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would use this service for a modern. Shipping is NOT acceptable at all. One book for $23?? How many of you would buy a single bagged and boarded comicbook where shipping was $23? Anyone? Hopefully this will get fixed - and soon. As a dealer with my own shipping insurance, these for sure I would have shipped under my own FedEx or UPS account and just pay CBCS their packaging fee.... A fee, BTW, that the competition does not charge On the positive side, CBCS now has a service to grade magazines that while not the equal of - is a great deal less expensive than CGC. Treasury size there is no competition and may never be as far as slabs go. I'd also mention that a Treasury size Mylar bag and quality backing board runs a buck, so the grading of treasury size comics published 1975 and later is essentially costing us $9.00. I'd suggest that given the fact that CBCS cannot actually encapsulate magazines and treasuries, that they either add some higher value tiers OR just look the other way as far as FMV goes. I purchased a couple of these CBCS raw graded books on eBay a few days ago. Look forward to seeing them. |
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| The shipping price is buggered and looks like CBCS hasn't fixed it yet. Steve said Raw grade shipping was supposed to be less. | ||
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| Hi Everyone, Yes, the shipping costs are not correct on our site. We will fix that once we get back from Seattle. All shipping rates are being manually adjusted right now and will reflect the lower rates. I wanted to say how much CBCS appreciates everyone’s comments, positive and negative, on our new Raw Grade Service. Many of you have expressed some strong feelings about the service, so I thought I’d take some time to respond to some of them. I realize that this low-cost grading service is a new concept and may not be for everyone. The fact is, we launched Raw Grade knowing that it would not appeal to everyone and that only a segment of the grading population would use it. We think there is a market for this service because we have had hundreds of requests over the past couple of years for a lower-cost option for grading and shipping comics, magazines, and treasury editions. Several people have commented on our forum and on Facebook about certain aspects and features of Raw Grade that they do not like or have stated that if we incorporated a specific feature they would be more inclined to use this service. As I said, we value feedback, so I want to talk about a few of the most popular stated objections. The first one is why CBCS decided not to incorporate a restoration check with the Raw Grade offering. The answer is simply that the time and resources required to perform a restoration check increased our processing time to the point where we could not provide the service at the price point we felt we had to hit. To put it bluntly, restoration checking added too much time and therefore cost to the product. The next issue is why CBCS decided not to use a clear backing board so customers could see the back cover of the comic. The truth is we looked into this option, and the result was that cost once again was too high. The underlying principle of the service is to provide a low-cost option. Clear backing boards were prohibitive. The same barrier also comes into play when we considered incorporating the use of an inner well. A clear backing board that offers any kind of support costs over a dollar for a single board, and the inner well with labor and material is much more. The next objection I want to discuss is that Raw Grade books are not as secure as an encapsulated book, and scammers could replace books or perform some other nefarious deed where buyers could be cheated. Yes, that could happen. However, our feeling is that there are hundreds of people that asked for this service and we don't want a few criminals to prevent its implementation. There are criminals in every field and we don't want them to prevent honest people from receiving a wanted service. If security is of the utmost importance to you, this is not the service for you. The Raw Grade service is not meant to replace graded and encapsulated books. We never intended it to be a substitute for certification and encapsulation, and we do not assert that it is. The Raw Grade service is meant to simply be an option for those collectors who choose not to pay the higher grading cost associated with certification and encapsulation, but who still want to reassure potential buys of the grade. The Raw Grade is meant to be used by sellers using auction houses or sites like eBay or by people who want to know the grade for their own collection. It is meant to provide the buyer some reassurance on the condition of the book provided by a third-party grade. I think most people in the hobby understand the disappointment associated with buying or selling a comic and having to deal with returns when the buyer and seller disagree on the grade used in the listing. Yet most of us still roll the dice when we buy raw comics online. This service may mitigate the risk associated with purchasing raw comics online and promote faster sales. At least, that is the thought behind all of this. While the Raw Grade books are not encapsulated and therefore subject to change, most people who use this service will do so with the intent to sell or flip books quickly. It provides another option for sellers to differentiate themselves from other sellers of raw, ungraded books. I think that many in our hobby are very used to having to interact with only one grading company, and may not realize how significantly different CBCS is in comparison. We believe in providing options and offering new products and services for our hobby, and we will continue to lead the industry in doing so. In closing, I wanted to thank you again for your comments about our new grading service. We value your feedback as much as we value you as our customers. Right now we are looking at some suggestions such as including signatures. We will see how the market responds to the service and adjust it as necessary to meet the requirements of our customers. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by spaulus Yes, please offer this by SDCC, I have a few Magazines i was hoping to get signed and graded using the Raw service but the lack of signature authentication is currently holding me up. Thanks for the follow up Steve, I know everyone here appreciates it and appreciates CBCS's willingness to listen and respond to customer feedback |
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| Thank you so much for the clarifications, Steve! I really like the fact that this at least gives collectors options, especially where things like treasuries are concerned! Incorporating signature certification/verification into it would be a huge plus in my opinion as well. It's awesome to know that you guys are willing to push the envelope in the industry to accommodate for what the market and your customers demand. As you say, this is not for everyone, but there ARE many out there who I'm sure are happy for this lower cost service and will definitely utilize it. Again, I love you guys and am very appreciative to be able to work alongside you!    |
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| I appreciate the response. I think you guys should consider having the clear backing boards as a $1 add on option. I still think the price point is too steep, especially for books in the sub $50 price range. For only $6 more you get alot more bang for your buck on resell value with a full slab. Maybe think about a cheaper tier with a $50 value cap? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I agree that the price points on raw grade are just not low enough to appeal to me for comic books. Dealer cost on slabbed moderns is only $4 more and CGC's Value tier is $5 more for inexpensive older books. There isn't a lot of product out there for sale but initial sales indicate the raw grade isn't getting slabbed prices. So far I've seen minor keys like Avengers Annual 10 or Firestorm 1 bring about 65% of the slabbed price. The seller would have netted a fair amount more money paying for regular grading and encapsulation. But this is a new product. Perhaps return on investment will get better. I can see much more likelihood of my using it for magazines and treasury size. It's half the price - or even less - of CGC's magazine grading. And of course there is no one slabbing Treasuries. So I 100% agree that for regular comic books , the price point is to steep. But I don't see how a cheaper tier with a lower value limit works for CBCS. A lower value limit doesn't lower CBCS's costs even a nickel. Any idea for a lower price has to somehow - based on what Steve has said here - lower CBCS's costs. I can't think of hardly any way to do that. |
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| Prices are not that much lower than slabbing? Sure, but in your analysis do not forget to adjust for the reduced shipping costs back from CBCS or on the secondary market. The difference is clear in international cases. Shipping a slab from Munich to the US is normally 19.50€ sans insurance, and 6.50€ sans insurance for a raw book. CBCS charges 65$ for one book (no, really) and for now I only assume the return cost of a single raw graded book would be less. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mio You are wrong in that assumption (about international shipping being much less) The problem is there is NO inexpensive international shipping service from the USA to other countries. The only exception being Army Post Office (APO) addresses for individuals overseas in US military. CGC charges $60 for one (or two) books. Both companies use FedEx only for international. $60 is actually a GREAT rate, when I go online and do a rate check a four pound package via FedEx to Sweden it is $250. For us normal folks not getting a volume FedEx shipping deals, the United States Postal Service is the much better choice. That same four pound package to Sweden is $53.00 Four pounds is about the minimum weight for CBCS's packaging and one slab. Assuming a single comic MIGHT bring the weight down to three pounds. You would save $3. Three bucks. It goes to $50. Other countries shipping charges to the US are nearly always cheaper than the US back to the same country. Maybe your governments subsidize your postal systems. The USA does not. Maybe you have more competition. DHL for instance has little presence in the USA. But that $65 rate is very close to what it actually costs. So you can give up your dream of cheap International shipping. This reality BTW is why the vast majority of international collectors DO NOT do small shipments of one or two books. The old adage in shipping is that the first pound is the most expensive. Nowhere is this rule more true than international shipping. CGC's rates for international I have at my fingertips. It will cost $60 to ship one book to Europe. But 25 books is only $160. So shipping costs could be $60 a book or $6 a book. Do bulk. If you don't have bulk, combine your order with another collector. Comic book stores will sometimes combine orders and shipment of their customers. |
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| Thanks for the tip on doing bulk. Never would have crossed my mind... And yes, safe to say 25 raw books is a little cheaper to ship than 25 slabs. |
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| @spaulus I have a question. I was curious what would be the procedure if while grading a book for the raw service, a poor attempt at restoration was observed. A real obviuos restoration. Would it still be eligible for the raw service or would it be documented and reflected in the grade? | ||
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| Personally I feel this hurts your brand. It's like a generic version of the full service. I would rather see CBCS upgrade to offer grading for magazines and tpb's. Jmo. However I have a question I haven't seen asked yet, so please forgive if it has: Did CBCS hire new graders to handle this new offering? Books I've submitted spend weeks in queue for grading and once they reach the graders it goes through the process quickly. My biggest concern is this offering potentially overloading the system and regular (slabbed) submissions get delayed further. |
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