The Banana Factory at CGC is Going Strong21596
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| News Flash May 2026: CGC announces their new line of concave slabs designed to keep submissions safe from harmful flattening! | ||
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 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Probably you make a joke....if so my bad But PSA is gearing up to start grading comic books this summer. They are contacting dealers now about setting up accounts. |
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 Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip>
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @IronMan it is a joke lol in a way . However, I don't see cgc being able 5o sustain any business if this keeps happening. Blackstone cant afford it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I know this post is a couple of months old, but it reminded me of my favorite Letterman bit from his show in the 90s. His announcer was doing a fake ad read for Firestone Exploding Tires, saying "put some excitement in your carpool. Firestone Tires: KABOOM!" No one I know remembers it but I think about it whenever I hear their name.  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I've read a number of forum posts over the months on the damages to the books by CGC that are clearly not one-offs, but the likely outcome. And I have to say, I just don't understand the responses by hobbyists. It's like OCD/Stupidity just takes over to the point they no longer follow logic. Threads seem to go the following path, generally speaking: "CGC is damaging books consistently and here are my pictures to prove" Response: "yea but....." WTF is the "yea but...? There is no effin "yea but...". They're consistently damaging books. They know they're damaging books. The populace in the know, knows they're damaging books. CGC claims they're within specifications. And folks just keep submitting, and worse, buying damaged books. This is not newton rings, hair in the case, case cracks, damaged labels, graded ghost books, acetate books. This is the book itself. As a recipient of damaged/bent CGC books a bunch of submissions, there is no single larger gut punch to see a beautifully pressed and gorgeous high grade books with spine tics and bends that were never there before and a grade that no longer represents the book. What the hell is going on over there that this would still be a problem well over a year and not addressed? It's one thing for CGC to claim there's no problem and fix it anyway behind the scenes like they've done in the past with other stuff. But they're not even correcting this issue that is the book.... the book itself.... damaging the effin book. It's like Bizarro World And my absolute favorite "yea but....", is the "yea but ... CBCS has had issues over the years". to which I'd love to respond "yea but how long ago was that Einstein"? Idiots. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Great post and totally true...but I'd even go a little further on this part in that, to my knowledge, whatever mistakes CBCS has made, they have NEVER created a slab that damaged books...ever. The mistakes CBCS has made are not on the same scale as CGC's. |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| People in general are just stupid. I have had cabin owners on other rental programs complain to me about not getting paid from other companies. I'll ask, "How long has it been." They will answer, "Six months." And I'm like, "Six months!" And then the response is some form of, "Yeah, but we're afraid that if we change rental companies, we won't get paid." Hello! You're not getting paid now! Idiots. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| When I see or hear a "yea but" on any topic, my loony toon antennae stand up. It's a dismissive dopey respons often |
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| When you mash the above comments together, it becomes very obvious that the correct phraseology is, "Yeah but I'm stupid!" Sadly, it's true even for CGC itself. | ||
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Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip>
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ifni ever buy another cgc book again; otsngetting packed up and sent here. | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My nephew submits regularly to CGC, almost entirely to resell, about 100-150 books per month. They are mostly Bronze and Modern. His profits are based entirely on the "raw to graded" increase. He also adds value along the way by finding good pressing candidates, usually doing his own pressing, and doing a better cleaning job than CCS will do. He gets back 80% or more banana books, just about every shipment of 25, for at least the past year. At first, he complained. Then it became obvious that CGC would just deny that there was even a problem, "within specs", and do nothing at all. He was losing a lot of time pursuing it, and had to relent. Of the 80%, most are curved laterally, so not affecting the spine. Not the way it's supposed to be (which is FLAT, duh), but not terminal to the book. Some are worse, which is when the curve is vertical along the spine. Even most of those do not exhibit any tics or damage (yet). About 2-3 out of 100 will have verifiable defects caused by the bending. If he stops submitting to CGC, he is out of business. If he switches to CBCS, he feels his sales will drop 20-35%, viewing comparable historical sales data (sorry, seems to be a fact that I can support from my own experiences). So also out of business. If you are looking for a "yeah, but..." from a reseller standpoint, this is one reason. He can eat the value losses on the 3% disaster books and still make an overall profit. Better to be in business making a decent profit than looking for work. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 Why can't he do both? It's always easier to find a job when you already have a job. |
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| Yeah, the Titanic was too big to sink and the cgc are too big to fail. | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Ya know, there was a roman empire once. I wonder what happened to them??? |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders He has a job, and also resells comics. Between the 2, he does quite fine, despite the CGC complications. And he likes what he does, so not looking to trade the comic business for another job. No need to change what is working, and major change (like a new job) can be a pain. He has an added headwind at the moment, so the going is a bit tougher. That's business. The downturn in the comic industry in general could become a tipping point, though. Prices are compressing, Diamond is in foreclosure, tons of economic uncertainty, etc. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Lead poisoning. |
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| @DrWatson that makes sense lol | ||
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| I get a tickle out of you. I'm glad you're here, lol. | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson me too. This is home. Anyway, back to banana slabs. |
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 For me? 2022, which was the year I was trying to do a CBCS graded character (Rogue) focus. Out of the batch of CBCS slabs I did successfully kept before I sold them for a loss, a handful ranged from being heavily over-graded (I bought a CBCS 9.8 that looked more like a 9.4) to literally being slabbed in a way that you cannot ignore how the bottom half bowed inside the slab. Stuff that made the reason how I had learned about CBCS's inner well look acceptable. So there is a chance between 2020 to 2022 people who did not simply use CBCS to make a profit had this issue. With those who used CBCS literally not caring if they helped create a rush job induced QC scenario. Which is tied to the same type of QC nightmares the Deniz Khan era of Wata had developed. Which has me sum this up to being an 'excessive quota meeting mechanical error'. Which literally means that since people use their service to turn a profit, the risk of issues ranging from soft grading to faulty inner wells will pop up. Often worse in a few, rarer cases found on Youtube. Both when it comes down to what CBCS was facing, and what CGC is currently facing. With me wondering how many chose to skip the CGC bashing and literally use that time to get their QC issues resolved. I mean, seeing how CGC never did say they refuse to resolve every mechanical error tied to this. But me? I am still doing detective work just to find out how CGC did handle this while dealing with calm, mature speaking customers. And not the case where people who prefer one grading company over another be allowed to do so at the expense of creating discomfort for those who like the other company. Or even both. And FYI, I am basing this particular issue on my own personal experiences with Beckett (via their Dragon Ball Collector days). Namely my second freelance written article. Which I had done for a second Beckett editor who liked my work I had done for the first editor. Who ended up asking me to do a rush job, lost my first submission, and forced me to rush the second one. All because he had a quota to fill and did not have the time to make sure my name was correctly spelled before it was rushed to the press. Which is why I am saying this issue is a quota-based issue that could have happened to CBCS if they were dealing with the whole "brand recognition (and/or speculation) = $$$" crowd, and not just those who have more legit reasons to get a certain issue graded. So seeing how I have been bashed for doing actual detective work in a different topic, I will leave my response to just this. And hope that people actually support those who are trying to work with CGC to get their scenarios resolved.  |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 I believe heād do just fine at least splitting subs to another company if not a full switch. Iām not going to argue the value difference thing, but You said he gets 80% bananas back to varying degrees (holy shit! 80%?!). wouldnāt a ālower selling valueā of a different companies slab offset the losses, return rates, and have the satisfaction of selling a non jacked book? I see the whole thing as self fulfilling prophecy. Ignore facts, accept the shaft, buy the grade, rinse and repeat. All because CGC is āthe standardā, ābeen doing longerā, āthe big auction houses use themā, etc, etc. My 2 cents. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash This is right spot on target 100%. |
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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If you're a seller you can't get past the  I like CBCS and I like submitting books to them and I like the case... My Demons and Swamp Things I'll be submitting to cbcs at the next local con and CGC never attends. These are Mark books and there's too many graded at CGC so getting 9.6-9.8 white pages and hopefully the odd extremely white pages will be great for me. I know some will dispute the price difference doesn't exist but it does with certain books. I believe CBCS dropped the ball when it came to census. It's a business cost and it would involve a lot of time getting up and running and they finally did it but it had been years after grading. And there's the set building. Whether you're into it or think it's silly it can mean big dollars.  This is a Mark book... The price realized well it could be going to a set builder in the CGC sets page or just a set collector that doesn't do it. I don't think if this book was graded by CBCS and it got a 9.8 grade that it would realize this money at auction... I don't sell books so as I said I'll spread my books around to different grading companies 'Except 1 that I don't need to really mention.' And we need competition when it comes to grading companies. Like we do for auction houses, comic book stores, online dealers, eBay comic book sellers and conventions... |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The vast majority of books are being damaged. Bent. Tics. They're damaging the damn books. On what bizarre world is that acceptable Anyone in here ok with that fact? I'm not |
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| You say census, but you mean Registry. I don't disagree. However, number grade chasing is expensive and stupid. That doesn't mean I don't still do it on occasion. Although, I'm not near as bad as I used to be. Plus, numerical grade chasing is a house of cards, especially with the cgc's current lax grading. |
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| I was so not okay with this; I sent books to pgx! Oh boy, I didn't say that out loud did i?? | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| The math says shifting submissions entirely, or splitting them is a losing venture. It's not an emotional decision, just following the facts. So far, there have been no returns. Not to say potential sales aren't lost due to the banana problem, no way to quantify that. The only money loser is having to sell the 3% "obviously messed up" portion at severe discounts. And even on some of those, you might break even. Some wonder why people are still submitting to CGC. Many submitters are just locked in, it's what they know, and still seems to be hobbling along. For those committed to this business plan, there would be some relief if CGC could figure things out. Since they don't recognize that they have a problem, that day will not be arriving soon. |
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215you did and I had a snarky response, but Iād submit to PGX over CGC these days. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HulkSmash Blast!!! Anyway, you're right. Might not be the best grades but they're not smiling. | ||
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here's a fun idea! Maybe this was discussed previously but I just thought about it. What is cgc doing that the other companies ( the lesser known ones)aren't?? Why does this seem to be affecting them over cheaper ugly companies. |
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