The Banana Factory at CGC is Going Strong21596
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash Damn! Took me a minute...  |
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To quote Tommy boy " That's because they know all they sold you was a guaranteed piece of  "  |
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| The cgc was created as a way to level the playing field and give the purchaser a sense of security in purchasing. It's funny (in a sad way) but they have become the very thing they were created to protect against. You can no longer trust a slab from the cgc. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Truer words have rarely been spoken. It’s sad really. The integrity that CGC once proudly boasted about is compromised by their lack of accepting accountability. |
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| I wonder whatever became of Acetate Gate?? Inquiring minds want to know?? | ||
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| My trust in CGC was diminished greatly after the Frankenslab fiasco and it never really recovered. I would like to think CBCS could capitalize on this but think about. Every time CBCS has a chance to really establish themselves as the leader, they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And I prefer CBCS to CGC. Hell, I'd prefer Midwest Comic Grading to CGC at this point. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Nothing as far as CGC goes. Black Flag took a huge hit. Crain stole the girl and the event gave him notoriety. (feel free to stand at a 1hr line at a con to get his sig) and the graded books with the double staple that were done at the time, go for $450 bucks (last time I came across one a few months ago). If you get a copy of said book and grade it now, it comes back green with a notation that says "double staple" (saw that gem not too long ago, been looking for a UF4 for my PC), it was going for $300 if I remember right. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash outstanding |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson It seems to me that the easy solution is to have less room in the case for the inner capsule to bend, not so deep. Like zero extra room front to back. If it's slightly warped coming out of the welder, the case will "urge" it to be plank-like. Still extra room around the edges for expansion/contraction. Maybe the capsules warp upon cooling. If it goes right into this modified case mentioned above, it doesn't have a chance to warp. Now that I think about it, they probably made the cases deeper to keep the 2 plastics from touching, which may have solved the Newton Ring problem. How's that working for you??? Went from the frying into the fire, with a face plant. |
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| Acetate gate was a huge red flag and i feel that's what kick started the downfall of the cgc. Because swap gate was right after that. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley I see this every time something happens at CGC. Various forums, IG, etc. The problem is, when talking companies of differing sizes like these two, it's going to take a lot more than the competition making mistakes for a company to become the "leader". When people say "they should capitalize", what can they do aside from running a quick promo like the banana promo? That might get some new customers along with the regulars but that's not enough to make them the leader. There is a very large segment of the collecting population consisting of 60 year old men, selling hundreds of CGC slabs at the cons, waiting for their next batch of 500 to arrive, whose response to "what do you think about bananagate?" is..."what's that?" They're way too embedded in CGC slabs, that sell regularly, to care about the drama or make any changes. These are the guys CGC cares about. Not the forum dwellers like us, who happen to know more about the problems and submit books 3 or 23 at a time. Like I've said before, it doesn't matter that the CBCS product is a lot better. The demand of these big time dealers is, unfortunately, going to be for CGC because their living depends on moving books. Before anyone loses it, I'm not saying CBCS doesn't sell. Of course they do, I'm saying these guys just aren't going to be bothered with a new company because they don't need to be. They aren't like us. They don't open the box of newly arrived slabs and look them over. They take them to the con and put them on the rack. Bananas, acetate, invisible books, swapping....they just don't care. They have books to sell...buy them or move along. CGC knows those guys aren't going anywhere. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros maybe not this minute, but in the not so distant future.... not considering the long game would be a dire mistake. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GothamBridge The dealers (sellers) might not be going anywhere, but some of the buyers certainly are. There's only so many bites of a shit sandwich a person is willing to take. 🥪 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GothamBridge "This minute" is a not-so-small number of years worth of problems at CGC. There is still no influx of CBCS slabs at the cons. When might this not so distant future start? 'Cuz I'd like to be alive to see it. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Most collectors are ignorant or indifferent to the shit show that is CGC. CGCs ONLY saving grace is that they were first....and alone in the market for 15 years or so. If and when the general collectors wise up.....and ESPECIALLY if the unproven notion of cgc selling for more, gets universally realized....cgc can eat their lunch beside pgx where they belong. CGC is a house of cards. |
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| Cbcs doesn't need to be number one or leading the industry. They just need to be cbcs. The crowd will find them if keep being honest about their grading and their work. |
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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The perceived CGC value difference over CBCS is likely the biggest hurdle. Just ran into this example randomly: |
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| I wish I could find deals like that. That's less than the cost of pressing and grading. There has to be more to the story. Someone cocked up and someone else benefited from it. I did win an auction for an old old old label FF 186 for under $25 not too long ago. |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| I just can't even... | ||
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As per my last post; that's how I ended up here.  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Unfortunately, these common differential values received by sellers is what keeps CGC alive and going somewhat well no matter what horsesh*t they produce. It's like monkey no see and monkey don't care between buyers and sellers. If a small percentage of collectors and slabbers like ourselves are aware of the severe problems (and we are), I shudder to think how many are not aware and/or don't care and/or are uninformed. This has been mentioned previously. If sellers can make profits from a mystery box that contains a pile of dog crap; and people keep buying that dog crap over and over and over; why would they change to the mystery box that doesn't sell as well, but contains something wonderful. The percentage of dumb/uninformed Hobbyists is as significant as any other segment of the population. It's quite remarkable. |
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| The prophecies have come true. When you buy newly graded books by the cgc, all you are buying is the label. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros I'm not saying CBCS should send Giuseppe and Vincenzo over to people's homes and make them submit comics, but show more initiative than they do. Be more active on social media highlighting why they're better and how they don't have the Sarasota Shit Show's problems. Get more visibility in the collecting sphere. The CBCS-promoted MCS auction was cool. They could try that more often. Be at a show or at least have witnesses who can be available for all of the signature crap people like. Promote big sales, or come up with some fruity-ass collection like CGC does. And get some f**king customer service reps who respond to inquiries. The customer service is unresponsive threads get a little repetitive. Where do they get money for this? For what these cool cats are charging, they should have enough to invest in some slight upgrades. Upgrade the forum a little bit as well. I've talked to a few store owners and profiteers who like the people here but despise the forum layout. Competition in the market is good. Competent competition is even better. |
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| Also, if anyone is selling an AF15 in a CBCS slab for an 85% discount because it's not in a CGC deathtrap, I'll fall on that grenade. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley you and me both |
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| I call dibs on any MMC9 that comes around for 85% off! | ||
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 It gets old smelling it everytime I go outside my door.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley You ain't even close to being wrong.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 Yeah. That’s not my experience. I feel like most CBCS books I find online are over priced. For example, one of the few of these in a CBCS slab I can find right now and it’s over priced by like $200-300 and needs to be shipped from Hong Kong??? And there’s like 2-3 dozen CGC copies on EBay. Yes some CGC are overpriced. But there’s enough available to find a few options near current FMV. I never see deals like what you showed. I must have bad luck.  |
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