The Banana Factory at CGC is Going Strong21596
 I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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| found out they bri....um asked very nicely with probably a large donation....to have a 3 years exclusive grading for heroes con | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I don’t know that for sure. I have slabs I sent in or bought up to the 43’s without any issues. But that is my own personal experience. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55 Perfect. Without the competition there, know one can tell them about how they damage books! CBCS should send employees to such cons just to hand out fliers and picket. You don’t need a booth to make a difference. |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrogioIt's luck of the draw (think Russian Roulette). You can get flat slabs (20%), slightly bent (60%), moderately bent (17%), or horribly bent (3%). In 1 or more directions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 The Leaning Tower of Pizza. French benefits. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio I'm just saying... Forewarned is forearmed. I've personally had bananas in the 42, 43, 44, and 45 range. |
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| You also have to watch out for slabs that have been reholdered. Old serial number in a new banana slab. Those are banana sneak attacks, also known as banana splits.  |
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| What's the alternative, putting books in other slabs that sell for under market value If you need money |
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| My CBCS books don't sell for under market value. Hell, some books graded by the cgc sell for less than the cost of grading. Go ahead and get those Marks books graded by the cgc. They'll look good with those color breaking creases. Better sell them fast. I'll grant you this, I'll not buy another banana slab. After my X-Men 102 fiasco, I'll go back to raw first. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I've sold many CBCS slabs and I've never had to sell them below FMV. I know people say CBCS sells for less than CGC but I'm not convinced that's actually true as it's not been my experience. | ||
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Show me where a weird war 1 CBCS in 9.8 sold for $10k It won't... Someone sold a strange tales 169 CBCS 9.8 for $4k a couple grand under FMV We're talking high end books here. |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I can also show you examples of CBCS selling for more....there used to be an entire thread on here devoted to this. Anyone can cherrypick examples of either slab selling for more. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross You do what your conscience lets you live with. I had no problem with books graded by the cgc, although I don't personally like the cgc as a company or a majority of the people who work(ed) there, until their slabs started damaging books. But as long as they sell for more, it's okay, right? |
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| talking to people at heroes con who use cgc about them...it seems census know they auck but they grade to get better value. I just got a star wars #1 and a Batman #428 (death of Jason Todd) that look good they need to be graded. so Im checking what shows in my area cbcs will be there. because Im sure as hell not gonna trust the crappy grading company to handle them |
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 I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user | |
As long as people keep drinking the CGC koolaid, these issues and their shenanigans will continue. I walked away in 2020…I’m not having withdrawals or anything. It’s the way of the world these days too. Everyone has gotten greedy, while integrity, quality, ethics, etc. have fallen by the wayside. It’s sad and pathetic. |
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 Can the moderators change my profile caption to <snip>
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Buy CGC, slab CBCS.   |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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| I think I am going to try a one-time experiment for the PC and buy what is quite probably a CGC banana (a 45xx series) and then submit it to CBCS (still encapsulated) to see what happens. If it retains the grade I'll be happy, if not I'll be out a hundred bucks and a couple months time. I can live with that. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by figment I have already played that game... and lost, more or less. I posted this on the Collector Syndicate board, but there's no reason not to post it here as well. My success rate with going from the cgc to CBCS is about 95% successful, but I won't be trying it with any more books that have banana bends or recently graded by the cgc. I can't thank CBCS enough for their help in being able to keep the pedigree status. See below. |
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| Okay. Here we go. This one might be a little convoluted. Our journey began almost one year ago at Heroes Con in June of 2024. World Wide Comics had a book that I wanted listed on their website. Knowing it was Heroes weekend, I contacted Joey and greggy and asked it Ritter was in Charlotte. They answered in the affirmative. Armed with this information, I asked my buddy Dale Roberts if he would please go to Ritter's booth and see if he had the book with him, and if so, what would he take for it. A price was negotiated, paid, and I met Dale on his way home and picked up the book. It was a month or two after this that Banana Gate really started to break. So, I checked the book, and sure enough, it was a banana.  As a result, I promptly packaged the book up and sent it off to CBCS along with several other books to be graded again and placed in a banana free holder. I placed a 9.6 grade screen on the book so there wouldn't be any unwanted surprises. Once the batch was graded, I received the shipped notification and check the website for the grades. To my surprise, the book had failed the grade screen. I contacted customer service because I was concerned that since the book had been cracked out, I wouldn't have any way of verifying the pedigree with the label with the notation. I asked customer service if the book could go ahead a be graded in order to preserve the pedigree and they said, "Yes." I thought no big deal. A 9.4 will be fine. The 9.4 was my assumption. This is what was in the box:  Here are the notes: light spine stress front & back cover some barely breaks color front cover acid transfer to cover Banana free, but now a 9.0. After putting my teeth back in my mouth, I thought, "Okay, now what?" The only thing I knew to do was to contact Joey at CFP_Comics and asking him for his help. So, I packed the book up once again and mailed down to Joey's Lab of Wonderment in Florida. After a trip through the lab, the book was packaged up and sent to the cgc in order to be graded again. I told Joey, I would be happy if it came back a 9.4. Long story slightly shorter, I received the book back in the mail today (June 11, 2025)and this is what I received:  Here are the notes: very light tanning back cover I am absolutely thrilled with the service I received from Joey at CFP-Comics. I couldn't ask for anything more. He really saved my bacon. He went above and beyond for reasons that can only be attributed to friendship. That said, and to answer the question burning everyone's lips... Yes, it came back a banana... and that is how it's going to stay... within specified parameters. So, that's the end of my X-Men 103 saga. There are plenty of lessons to take away from this escapade. A couple of them might even be contradictory. I do know four things. 1.) I won't be submitting any other books to the cgc. 2.) Joey is worth twice his weight in gold. 3.) Outside of the 9.0 grade, CBCS really went the distance to help me out and provided me with the information I needed to preserve the pedigree designation. 4.) I'm not sure if I did the wrong thing for the wrong reasons; the wrong thing for the right reasons; or the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. I'm pretty sure I didn't do the right thing for the right reasons. I'll be wrestling with this one in my head for a while and I very much dislike the cgc for putting me in this position in the first place with their shitty slabs. Any way, maybe someone can learn something from all this and thanks for reading. |
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| @DrWatson Sorry to get off the banana track but I've never heard of Acid transfer to cover. What causes that? | ||
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| It usually appears on the insides of the front and back covers....you can see an image "transfer" of the splash page onto the inside front cover and/or the last page image transferring to the inside back cover....I believe this is what they mean. | ||
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| @DrWatson i can only concur with the recommendation of @CFPComics. A while back I had a comic where the backcover had got stuck to the board. It took Joe 2 months to figure out how to separate (and only charged normal charge)and if I remember correctly the comic came back as a 9.4. When I thanked Joe, he said he did it as much for his own professional curiosity and development to find a way to separate. In the latest submission he managed to get this one upgraded from 9.6 to 9.8 (and no - it is not a banana - it is as flat as a pancake)  |
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Well, mine isn't flat.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Helric1 Improper storage. The Bronze age Pacific Coast books suffered from storage issues after the Silver portion of the collection was sold off. You can see it most notably in the page quality.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson You had me at convoluted. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 You had me at banana.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson After CFP worked on it why did u not send back to CBCS? With CGC bending it out of shape yet again seems like all the work was undone... |
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 Beaten by boat oars
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm a little curious as to why you sent it back to CGC as well. If it was in a banana hammock slab, pressed and put back into another banana hammock slab, why not just keep it in the CBCS slab or at least press and regrade with CBCS or whomever else doesn't have a consistent track record for damaging other people's property? Was it to maintain the pedigree stuff or consistency within your collection? I feel for you on that because it sucks to have your stuff throttled. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Just imagine, as collectors, the fear/panic/sense of dread/ upon seeing a book of ours stored in a box that had a backing board bent this banana bad. And the resultant impact upon the comic within that bag. We'd lose our sh*t, pull the comic out, rebag, re-press, re-this, re-that, look it over a million times if the tics were significant. It would be unbearable. We'd need therapy. And yet - here are collectors with the same situation, but it says (example) 9.8 so they're ok with it. It blows my mind that it's just not mass exodus and complaints more than their C.S. can manage. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley Quite frankly, I sent it back hoping for the 9.6. The difference in how the tanning was treated was a deciding factor. CBCS called it acid transfer and the cgc treated it as light tanning. And again the drop from a 9.6 to a 9.0 also heavily influenced my decision. I could have handled a CBCS 9.4, but not a 9.0. The entire situation has made me wonder if I should stop collecting altogether. It's created quite the internal conflict as I know sending it back to the cgc was wrong. I had the faintest measure of hope that it wouldn't come back bent. That got extinguished. It's kind of like crying after touching the stove eye even though you were already told not to do it because it's hot. Like I said, it's my own fault. I cracked under pressure and did something countercurrent to my own ideals. I should have left well enough alone. It makes me realize how lucky I got with my Northland copy of X-Men 22. |
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