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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
I'm hoping for $4-$6, something similar to grade screening cost
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Collector zosocane private msg quote post Address this user
Although, at $5 for a raw grade, I could see the CBCS table at cons being completely overwhelmed, impossible to get through to leave books for slabbing.
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Collector Redshade private msg quote post Address this user
It's difficult to postulate without knowing the costs of this new service but I'll hazard a guess that the shipping costs will make it an unfeasible proposition to those of us on this side of the pond.


For my own twopenn'orth if the seals are solid then I could envision someone slitting open the bottom edge and doing whatever nefarious deeds that could be done and then re(heat?)sealing it. A way around this would be to fold tamper-proof labels around all four edges.

Having said that I concur with those who agree with the service as a cheaper alternative to slabbing, so my vote would be a positive. Lets see before we write the idea off.
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What does everyone think the right price point for this service should be? I would be good at $10. Other opinions?

Another five bucks and you can have it slabbed.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
Just for reference, MidWest Comic Grading charges $12-$15/modern for a similar service

EDIT: Actually, it looks like they're $8-12. I was visiting the site on my phone so the formatting was thrown off
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The Raw Grade service was created as an inexpensive alternative for books that do not have enough value for most collectors to have certified. There is a $250 insured value limit on ALL Raw Grade services.

In a typical collection, there is a small percentage of the books that may be considered for certification and encapsulation. Raw Grade is being offered as an option for the rest of the books in that collection.

CBCS is a company of comic book collectors who want to try new things. We don’t want to sit in a box and only offer the same things someone else is offering. We don’t know if there is a market for something until we try.

Nobody has ever succeeded at anything without trying.

CBCS will continue to look for new services for our hobby. Our goal is to be innovative and a leader in the industry, we cannot do that without taking a different approach and thinking outside of the box.

Raw Grade is a new service we’re offering for those who want to use it. It doesn't mean anyone will lose the service they have. You just have a choice of something additional, if you want to use it.

There was a point in the not so distant past when collectors were up in arms about comic books being given grades and put into a hard case that can’t be opened. They collectively said, “this will never work.” But someone tried something different. The result was a product and market for that product that has grown into what it is today.


What is troubling to me is the great potential to diminish the value CBCS certification currently has. Currently CBCS slabs generally bring less on the market than comparable CGC counterparts (right, wrong or indifferent). For those of us who have a significant "investment" in the CBCS brand, this could further widen this gap.


Hi Stronguy!
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
If I'm not mistaken, Mylar doesn't play well with heat sealing?
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Collector jrs private msg quote post Address this user
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Just for reference, MidWest Comic Grading charges $12-$15/modern for a similar service


Wonder if anyone actually uses it. Seems steep to me.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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If I'm not mistaken, Mylar doesn't play well with heat sealing?


I believe you are correct. Think I read somewhere MylarD was the first choice for inner well but it cant be sealed properly (has to be extruded to bag shape, cant be joined)
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@jrs Actually, it looks like I was mistaken. I was visiting the site on my phone and it threw the formatting off. Looks like they charge like $8-$12 for the service. It looks like there are a few of those on ebay, that they're selling themselves, and nothing much with an asking price over $20
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread, but won't this increase TATs? If graders are being reassigned to do raw grades, it seems like that the grading/slabbing is going to suffer, and the TATs already suck as it is. Any word if they've hired more staff for this stuff?
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
I would imagine all the same graders will see these along with all the other books. The only difference is they bypass resto check and then are handled differently in the slabbing room. The graders are not part of the slabbing process, two different departments.
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
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The graders are not part of the slabbing process, two different departments


Yeah, but that's still more books (assuming this is popular) for the same number of graders to review. Seems like that will back things up somewhere in the process.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
True, but that's also true of every company in every industry. If a product becomes popular they will need to grow to fulfill demand or fall behind.
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the price don't make sense $10 modern $15 expanded

just spend the extra couple bucks and slab it

Where did those numbers come from?


Facebook per Steve Ricketts
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
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the price don't make sense $10 modern $15 expanded

just spend the extra couple bucks and slab it

Where did those numbers come from?


Facebook per Steve Ricketts


Main site is updated. Yup, $10 for modern $15 for expanded. I'm out. Interesting idea, but not worth it when slabbing is just a few bucks more.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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Main site is updated. Yup, $10 for modern $15 for expanded. I'm out. Interesting idea, but not worth it when slabbing is just a few bucks more.


Damn 😔. I'm out as well. I'll pay the few extra bucks for the slab.
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
Just did a test submission too, shipping is the same as slabbed, or at least it hasn't been updated yet. Pretty let down right now.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
I wasn't planning on using the service from the start but with that pricing yeah, I'm out, too
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
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I wasn't planning on using the service from the start


I have quite a few silver age books that are not in high enough grade to justify slabbing at $30 a pop, but I thought this would be a good way to get a grade so I had a better idea of what I had in my inventory.

Not so much.
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
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Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread, but won't this increase TATs? If graders are being reassigned to do raw grades, it seems like that the grading/slabbing is going to suffer, and the TATs already suck as it is. Any word if they've hired more staff for this stuff?
I think turn around times are safe with that price point.
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
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I think turn around times are safe with that price point.


Good point. You're a glass half-full kinda guy I see.
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
For $5.00 bucks I could see this getting some play. At this price unless someone is really anti-slabbing I'm not sure the value is there. 10 to 15 dollars for a Mylar and a Fullback and an opinion is kind of steep.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
Guess they have checked the price points with the dealers as well
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COLLECTOR BigRig private msg quote post Address this user
For only saving a couple of bucks I'd rather just have a slab. Like it was said a cool idea but price is what just killed it to me.
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Collector TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user
So to sum up, the price point is too high and this thread is getting too long...

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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
@SteveRicketts saving only $6 versus a slab and restoration check is not an atractive price point at all. I really hope CBCS reconsiders the pricing on this. I was digging the prospect of this service, but these prices don't make logistical sense. Also the return shipping costs need to be substantially less than slabbed.
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Collector KenWorthing private msg quote post Address this user
I'd really like to see a picture of the tamper-evident seal.

*Cue onslaught of pancake-pics, memes etc*
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Great idea for some books in the collection, price is announced, and we're all dropping like flies lol



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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
If the resto check had been left in place maybe. But to lose that check and the encapsulation? That's loosing way more than $6 worth of value in my eyes.
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