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Collector 64	64 D_Stu private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Cross-thread quoting. @esaravo @DertyComix Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo PS - CBCS does not return bags, boards, plastic cases, etc. I can only imagine the stack of mylite bags and halfbacks piled up on the table in the lunch room at CBCS (Free, please take home)! LOL Quote: Originally Posted by DertyComix I would be like a fat kid in a twinkie factory, All the money youbwould save on bags and boards of that quality. Hell if they need a part time janitor i would do it if they paied me in mylar bags and boards. Sorry guys I do believe that opportunity has recently passed, and we now know where all the bags and boards will be going 🤣 ??? Now I'm curious.
	8 years ago	Post 101 • IP flag post

Collector 721	721 TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@CopperAgeKids: I haven't missed the point. I'm not a seller or a dealer so none of your points mean anything TO ME because I don't get books that cheap encapsulated. What I'm saying is that FOR ME, the $250 cap appears to lean heavy towards targeting modern books. Which FOR ME is useless. FOR ME a raw book grading service would be of more value if I could get my older (bronze and silver age) books worth $1000 or more graded. Others may have a use for having a $250 book graded, but not me. When I do buy modern books, I don't buy modern books that are less than 9.8. So I don't need that book pre-graded. (I know a pristine modern book when I see one.) And it's not hard to find books from the last 30 years in 9.8. As far as I'm concerned, if you are buying less than perfect modern books you are wasting your money. There are simply too many of them out there so lesser books will be much less desirable. In other words, why buy your 9.2 or 9.6 when there are plenty of 9.8s out there that are always going to be worth more? But I digress... as far as a raw service, grading and bagging more expensive older books that are never going to leave my collection would be much more useful TO ME. Your mileage may vary.
	8 years ago	Post 102 • IP flag post

Collector 1.48K	1.48K OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @MR_SigS Again missing my entire point about how product releases should be properly handled in business. Official announcements should be the first thing to hit public knowledge, not random product from the R&D phase hitting eBay pre-release. As the old saying goes, the only way three men keep a secret is if two of them are dead. Leaks happen all the time in the business world. Apple had their iPhone 5 leaked before it the company announced, movie announcements continually get leaked, musicians have singles leaked before they're even finished recording their album. It's something you learn to live with.
	8 years ago	Post 103 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@SteveRicketts Great that CBCS is trying something new. I know everyone is skeptical but great that your company is trying new ideas and invovations. I hope it works out.
	8 years ago	Post 104 • IP flag post

Collector 10	10 Wilson3d private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I think it sounds awesome!
	8 years ago	Post 105 • IP flag post

Collector 2.54K	2.54K Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	So my two cents for what its worth: 1- I actually like the idea from the perspective that there are books in my collection that I would like to have a better idea of the grade, but I would not consider slabbing b/c they'll never be that valuable. Or, if they are raw graded high enough, then I would consider having them signed and slabbed. (Kind of a pre-sign screening, that is depending on what the price point of raw grading actually is.) I live in fear of having something signed and then grade out at 8.0-9.0. 2- But, this seems like its a one time use kind of grade, as mentioned above: Quote: Originally Posted by Stronguy As these things start popping up on the secondary market after being handled and poked and prodded they will not be the grade assigned. Any dealer who sells at cons will tell you books can take a beating. So, on one hand I would pay more for raw grades like these on eBay b/c it eliminates some risk. But, once they've been handled (i.e. shipping) then the risk is reintroduced. At that point, why pay the little extra for the raw grade as a buyer? So overall, mixed feelings, but interesting concept.
	8 years ago	Post 106 • IP flag post

Collector 127	127 Stronguy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts The Raw Grade service was created as an inexpensive alternative for books that do not have enough value for most collectors to have certified. There is a $250 insured value limit on ALL Raw Grade services. In a typical collection, there is a small percentage of the books that may be considered for certification and encapsulation. Raw Grade is being offered as an option for the rest of the books in that collection. CBCS is a company of comic book collectors who want to try new things. We don’t want to sit in a box and only offer the same things someone else is offering. We don’t know if there is a market for something until we try. Nobody has ever succeeded at anything without trying. CBCS will continue to look for new services for our hobby. Our goal is to be innovative and a leader in the industry, we cannot do that without taking a different approach and thinking outside of the box. Raw Grade is a new service we’re offering for those who want to use it. It doesn't mean anyone will lose the service they have. You just have a choice of something additional, if you want to use it. There was a point in the not so distant past when collectors were up in arms about comic books being given grades and put into a hard case that can’t be opened. They collectively said, “this will never work.” But someone tried something different. The result was a product and market for that product that has grown into what it is today. What is troubling to me is the great potential to diminish the value CBCS certification currently has. Currently CBCS slabs generally bring less on the market than comparable CGC counterparts (right, wrong or indifferent). For those of us who have a significant "investment" in the CBCS brand, this could further widen this gap.
	8 years ago	Post 107 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	@Stronguy I would argue that this taps into a bigger market, thus getting more brand recognition and in turn closes said gap.
	8 years ago	Post 108 • IP flag post

Collector 127	127 Stronguy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @Stronguy I would argue that this taps into a bigger market, thus getting more brand recognition and in turn closes said gap. Until someone starts gaming the system (and that will take no time at all). Then it's, "CBCS is junk!!!".
	8 years ago	Post 109 • IP flag post

Collector 25	25 hawk_guy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1

	8 years ago	Post 110 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stronguy Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer @Stronguy I would argue that this taps into a bigger market, thus getting more brand recognition and in turn closes said gap. Until someone starts gaming the system (and that will take no time at all). Then it's, "CBCS is junk!!!". Agreed that it could be bad on that front. Thats where I'm happy that it's only available under $250 and we shall see how super the superpower stickiness of the sticker is
	8 years ago	Post 111 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@SteveRicketts here's another idea for you to run by the higher ups. With this service we won't ever be able to view the rear cover of the comic without breaking the seal. There is however a company out there making clear plastic backing boards. I would definitely be willing to pay an extra dollar to get a clear backing board for my CBCS Raw Grade comics which have nice wraparound cover art. Just putting that out there.
	8 years ago	Post 112 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @MR_SigS Again missing my entire point about how product releases should be properly handled in business. Official announcements should be the first thing to hit public knowledge, not random product from the R&D phase hitting eBay pre-release. Oh. Your 'frontlines' is a bad analogy, then.
	8 years ago	Post 113 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Also btw, for those who have never pulled a true tamper evident sticker off something...They are not just super sticky, but designed so that parts of the image pull off and destroy the integrity of the sticker. I agree, the success of the service will rest on how good the stickers are.
	8 years ago	Post 114 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@MR_SigS I'll agree with you there, wasn't a good analogy on my part.
	8 years ago	Post 115 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Cross-thread quoting. @esaravo @DertyComix Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo PS - CBCS does not return bags, boards, plastic cases, etc. I can only imagine the stack of mylite bags and halfbacks piled up on the table in the lunch room at CBCS (Free, please take home)! LOL Quote: Originally Posted by DertyComix I would be like a fat kid in a twinkie factory, All the money youbwould save on bags and boards of that quality. Hell if they need a part time janitor i would do it if they paied me in mylar bags and boards. Sorry guys I do believe that opportunity has recently passed, and we now know where all the bags and boards will be going 🤣 @CBCS- Is this true? Will you be using second hand bags and boards?
	8 years ago	Post 116 • IP flag post

Collector 127	127 Stronguy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Also btw, for those who have never pulled a true tamper evident sticker off something...They are not just super sticky, but designed so that parts of the image pull off and destroy the integrity of the sticker. I agree, the success of the service will rest on how good the stickers are. Who says you have to mess with the sticker? Burglars rarely use the front door.
	8 years ago	Post 117 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS @CBCS- Is this true? Will you be using second hand bags and boards Damn. And I thought it was obvious that I was joking
	8 years ago	Post 118 • IP flag post

CBCS Pressing 19.76K	19.76K SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Stronguy Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Also btw, for those who have never pulled a true tamper evident sticker off something...They are not just super sticky, but designed so that parts of the image pull off and destroy the integrity of the sticker. I agree, the success of the service will rest on how good the stickers are. Who says you have to mess with the sticker? Burglars rarely use the front door. Send an email to the Treasury and tell them to stop printing money because it can be counterfeited.
	8 years ago	Post 119 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I think we should just pump the breaks a little until we see how much this service is. What this service entails. Where the hell's the e-mail to tell me what this is. Some go to the Master Control Center and hit the Button.
	8 years ago	Post 120 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS @CBCS- Is this true? Will you be using second hand bags and boards Damn. And I thought it was obvious that I was joking lol If you seriously advise ripping off the outer cover from a comic, why would anyone think you're joking here? EDIT: Okay, I see you now say you don't advise it, but why in God's name mention such a thing?
	8 years ago	Post 121 • IP flag post

Collector 2.54K	2.54K Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle I think we should just pump the breaks a little until we see how much this service is. +1
	8 years ago	Post 122 • IP flag post

Collector 127	127 Stronguy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Quote: Originally Posted by Stronguy Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Also btw, for those who have never pulled a true tamper evident sticker off something...They are not just super sticky, but designed so that parts of the image pull off and destroy the integrity of the sticker. I agree, the success of the service will rest on how good the stickers are. Who says you have to mess with the sticker? Burglars rarely use the front door. Send an email to the Treasury and tell them to stop printing money because it can be counterfeited. Looks at what happens to economies when that happens.
	8 years ago	Post 123 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@JWKyle entails is the word you was looking for
	8 years ago	Post 124 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@shrewbeer Seriously. It's like saying, "I don't advise domestic terrorism, but here's a recipe for a bomb." Color touch is an option. Trimming is an option. No one sensibly mentions such practices in the way you did. Just saying.
	8 years ago	Post 125 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@MR_SigS I think you're in the wrong thread
	8 years ago	Post 126 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	True. But I already posted what I have to say in defense of my hobby lol .
	8 years ago	Post 127 • IP flag post

Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS @CBCS- Is this true? Will you be using second hand bags and boards Damn. And I thought it was obvious that I was joking Not a bad idea. They can recycle all of the mylar bags and boards they receive from submissions instead of throwing them away.
	8 years ago	Post 128 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	That little emoji says a lot
	8 years ago	Post 129 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	In all seriousness, I would hope they are using case fresh virgin mylar on these for a great many reasons.
	8 years ago	Post 130 • IP flag post

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