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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I can see this being way more popular with newer books where restoration is an unlikely issue to be concerned about.
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Collector 36	36 adampasz private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	There are cases where Restoration is not a concern, including * Original owner collections * Most books published after 1979 * Cracked books that you want to get re-graded, but not re-slabbed because you have run out of room in your house!
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COLLECTOR 26.96K	26.96K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	This reminds me of the "Basic Sealed Grading" service at Midwest Comic Grading
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@dielinfinite that is the company I alluded to earlier. I think they're on the verboten list for posting images.
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COLLECTOR 26.96K	26.96K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@DarthLego Oh right! Does that mean we're not allowed to post pictures of bagged raw books with a store or dealer sticker that days "F/VF" the way MyComicShop.com does?
	8 years ago	Post 80 • IP flag post

Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Why put the grade sticker on the front? They should put it on the back, on the flap, so if someone wants to open it they have to destroy the sticker, thus offering one more stumbling block for unscrupulous sellers. Also, if the sticker were on the back, a collector could display it without having the sticker obscure the artwork.
	8 years ago	Post 81 • IP flag post

Collector 568	568 FrankCastle129 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Maybe they should use a black Mylar bag after they raw grade it so it can't get any damage done to it from the sun too.
	8 years ago	Post 82 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @dielinfinite that is the company I alluded to earlier. I think they're on the verboten list for posting images. Is it bc they were discredited in some way? I can see why no PGX, but haven't heard anything bad on this one.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@shrewbeer I don't know the reason. If they have never been discredited I wonder if that policy will change now that CBCS is doing essentially the same thing.
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Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego How is this suddenly a thing? With no CBCS Newsletter announcement. No Forum thread announcement. And not even a polling about how we feel about or receive such a service? I kind of feel insulted here. We are supposed to be the frontlines for CBCS here, not the last to know. And how the Holy Lego Batman are there already books on eBay??? I think CBCS likely graded/bagged a small amount of books for "CBCS Raw Grade" as a sort of market test. A beta prototype of sorts, to test market reception before going forward with putting a public announcement.
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @shrewbeer I don't know the reason. If they have never been discredited I wonder if that policy will change now that CBCS is doing essentially the same thing. Yes I would hate to see this board to the way of the other where there's no talking about legitimate competition allowed
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CBCS Pressing 19.79K	19.79K SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 14
	The Raw Grade service was created as an inexpensive alternative for books that do not have enough value for most collectors to have certified. There is a $250 insured value limit on ALL Raw Grade services. In a typical collection, there is a small percentage of the books that may be considered for certification and encapsulation. Raw Grade is being offered as an option for the rest of the books in that collection. CBCS is a company of comic book collectors who want to try new things. We don’t want to sit in a box and only offer the same things someone else is offering. We don’t know if there is a market for something until we try. Nobody has ever succeeded at anything without trying. CBCS will continue to look for new services for our hobby. Our goal is to be innovative and a leader in the industry, we cannot do that without taking a different approach and thinking outside of the box. Raw Grade is a new service we’re offering for those who want to use it. It doesn't mean anyone will lose the service they have. You just have a choice of something additional, if you want to use it. There was a point in the not so distant past when collectors were up in arms about comic books being given grades and put into a hard case that can’t be opened. They collectively said, “this will never work.” But someone tried something different. The result was a product and market for that product that has grown into what it is today.
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Collector 721	721 TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Limiting to $250 value makes this a LOT less attractive... in my opinion. For me, this would be more useful on potentially expensive books I already own where want to know the value, or on a high priced book where I'm skeptical or concerned about the grade and want more reassurance. If the book is only worth 250 bucks, I'm unlikely to get it incapsulated anyway so I might as well keep in in my own bag. But it would depend on pricing. Which seems to be taking a long time to get out to us. Can we get some pricing please?
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego How is this suddenly a thing? With no CBCS Newsletter announcement. No Forum thread announcement. And not even a polling about how we feel about or receive such a service? I kind of feel insulted here. We are supposed to be the frontlines for CBCS here, not the last to know. And how the Holy Lego Batman are there already books on eBay??? How often do Generals ask about the feelings of their troops before forming a 'battle' plan?
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COLLECTOR 13.26K	13.26K shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts The Raw Grade service was created as an inexpensive alternative for books that do not have enough value for most collectors to have certified. There is a $250 insured value limit on ALL Raw Grade services. Good call in my opinion. Less chance of fraud as well keeping it to $250. Depending on what inexpensive means, I'm already eyeballing a certain box of books for this
	8 years ago	Post 90 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@MR_SigS Again missing my entire point about how product releases should be properly handled in business. Official announcements should be the first thing to hit public knowledge, not random product from the R&D phase hitting eBay pre-release.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.81K	60.81K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I can't imagine this is anything other than a book that failed a 9.8 pre-screen. If it isn't, then it's a poor idea for a number of reasons I agree. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be a poor idea. Not disagreeeing that there’s many reasons why this might be a bad idea but I’m not against it. If I was buying a book like this online I’d use the same discretion as if I was buying raw. I could even see myself taking advantage of this service if it was provided on-site at a con and the rates were reasonable. I have some books in my collection that I’d be curious to see what grade CBCS would assign. It's okay to disagree. I just feel like the opportunity for disaster here is ripe.
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CBCS Pressing 19.79K	19.79K SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @MR_SigS Again missing my entire point about how product releases should be properly handled in business. Official announcements should be the first thing to hit public knowledge, not random product from the R&D phase hitting eBay pre-release. That was not intentional. We wanted to have product hit the market when the announcement came out. We'll learn from this experience and do better next time.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	@SteveRicketts I didn't think that it was intentional, but keeping a tight control over this stuff prevents threads like this and concerned customers. Still looking forward to the official announcement.
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Collector 2.07K	2.07K Jerkfro private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I can't imagine this is anything other than a book that failed a 9.8 pre-screen. If it isn't, then it's a poor idea for a number of reasons I agree. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be a poor idea. Not disagreeing that there’s many reasons why this might be a bad idea but I’m not against it. If I was buying a book like this online I’d use the same discretion as if I was buying raw. I could even see myself taking advantage of this service if it was provided on-site at a con and the rates were reasonable. I have some books in my collection that I’d be curious to see what grade CBCS would assign. It's okay to disagree. I just feel like the opportunity for disaster here is ripe. It's one thing to pay a slabbing company to do a resto check, grade, and then encapsulate. That I understand. That I get. As an individual, I can't encapsulate and I do not have a great deal of experience with many resto types. It's another thing entirely to pay them to grade your own raw books. I'll stick to grading my own raw comics myself. I can grade. I can put a comic inside a mylar with an acid free board. I can put a sticker on the bag. Best of luck to them for trying something new. I think they're going to need it.
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Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by TruckJohnson Limiting to $250 value makes this a LOT less attractive... in my opinion. For me, this would be more useful on potentially expensive books I already own where want to know the value, or on a high priced book where I'm skeptical or concerned about the grade and want more reassurance. If the book is only worth 250 bucks, I'm unlikely to get it incapsulated anyway so I might as well keep in in my own bag. But it would depend on pricing. Which seems to be taking a long time to get out to us. Can we get some pricing please? Capping insured value at $250 makes perfect sense on lower dollar value raws, you are missing the point.This would be an economical alternative for sellers(and buyers) over the cost of a modern fast tracked grading fee ($30 or so cost on modern raws up to $200 FMV, without membership/dealer discount accounted for). Books above $250 should have a resto check & be encapsulated. As a seller, I'd rather just pay more for slabbing a book and just wholesale cheaper raws at conventions/eBay. A book like WD 27 to me personally, is a book that is worth spending my time pressing out to a 9.8 candidate and then paying for fast tracked grading. If I get back a 9.6, I can always sell it on eBay via BIN at a flippable price. For those that aren't capable of predicting CBCS and CGC grades with much accuracy (which there are plenty of), this would be useful.Third party graded and a quicker turn around considering the encapsulatoon process can take a week with QC time factored in, along with a lower overall grading cost...attractive benefits for those that this niche applies to. GPA for 2016-17 on WD 27 in 9.6 is: 2017 (4) $188Hi $113Lo 2016 (42) $225Hi $110Lo So, if this is a 9.8 pre-screen reject, which it would more than likely would be....if it sells even below the low for slabbed 9.6's ,say it sells at around $100 in CBCS Raw Grade form, the seller and buyer are both making out fairly well.
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Collector 11.12K	11.12K MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I can't imagine this is anything other than a book that failed a 9.8 pre-screen. If it isn't, then it's a poor idea for a number of reasons I agree. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be a poor idea. Not disagreeing that there’s many reasons why this might be a bad idea but I’m not against it. If I was buying a book like this online I’d use the same discretion as if I was buying raw. I could even see myself taking advantage of this service if it was provided on-site at a con and the rates were reasonable. I have some books in my collection that I’d be curious to see what grade CBCS would assign. It's okay to disagree. I just feel like the opportunity for disaster here is ripe. It's one thing to pay a slabbing company to do a resto check, grade, and then encapsulate. That I understand. That I get. As an individual, I can't encapsulate and I do not have a great deal of experience with many resto types. It's another thing entirely to pay them to grade your own raw books. I'll stick to grading my own raw comics myself. I can grade. I can put a comic inside a mylar with an acid free board. I can put a sticker on the bag. Best of luck to them for trying something new. I think they're going to need it. Exactly. And it's more money for funny books.
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Collector 1.86K	1.86K jrs private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	This is just another service for collectors and those in the marketplace interested in it. Could the condition of the book change in some respect between grading and selling, etc.? Yes, of course. But the grade can serve as another guidepost, in addition to visible condition and descriptions (such as on ebay), to assist buyers. Also, let's not forget that even encapsulated books can and do degrade over time. We all likely have some books that were graded with white pages that apparently no longer have them (there was a post about this some time back). I also think the value cap is a sensible way to ensure that those dealing in raw graded books, whether selling or buying, do not overly emphasize a grade that did not result from the same level of scrutiny as the grade given to an encapsulated book. Given the huge sums of money changing hands for extremely valuable books -- particularly graded books -- this seems completely reasonable to me. In short, I don't think this is cause for concern in any way. Let's see how things develop, and kudos once again go to CBCS for expanding the product offerings available to consumers.
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Cross-thread quoting. @esaravo @DertyComix

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Originally Posted by esaravo
PS - CBCS does not return bags, boards, plastic cases, etc. I can only imagine the stack of mylite bags and halfbacks piled up on the table in the lunch room at CBCS (Free, please take home)! LOL

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Originally Posted by DertyComix
I would be like a fat kid in a twinkie factory, All the money youbwould save on bags and boards of that quality. Hell if they need a part time janitor i would do it if they paied me in mylar bags and boards.

Sorry guys I do believe that opportunity has recently passed, and we now know where all the bags and boards will be going 🤣

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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.81K	60.81K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by Dick_Pontoon Quote: Originally Posted by Jerkfro Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I can't imagine this is anything other than a book that failed a 9.8 pre-screen. If it isn't, then it's a poor idea for a number of reasons I agree. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be a poor idea. Not disagreeing that there’s many reasons why this might be a bad idea but I’m not against it. If I was buying a book like this online I’d use the same discretion as if I was buying raw. I could even see myself taking advantage of this service if it was provided on-site at a con and the rates were reasonable. I have some books in my collection that I’d be curious to see what grade CBCS would assign. It's okay to disagree. I just feel like the opportunity for disaster here is ripe. It's one thing to pay a slabbing company to do a resto check, grade, and then encapsulate. That I understand. That I get. As an individual, I can't encapsulate and I do not have a great deal of experience with many resto types. It's another thing entirely to pay them to grade your own raw books. I'll stick to grading my own raw comics myself. I can grade. I can put a comic inside a mylar with an acid free board. I can put a sticker on the bag. Best of luck to them for trying something new. I think they're going to need it. I don't see anything wrong with the service. What I see is a lot of potential for abuse. I could be wrong. Maybe we should buy CBCS 9.6s and see if they'll come back as 9.8s from the cgc.
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Collector 64	64 D_Stu private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by shrewbeer Cross-thread quoting. @esaravo @DertyComix Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo PS - CBCS does not return bags, boards, plastic cases, etc. I can only imagine the stack of mylite bags and halfbacks piled up on the table in the lunch room at CBCS (Free, please take home)! LOL Quote: Originally Posted by DertyComix I would be like a fat kid in a twinkie factory, All the money youbwould save on bags and boards of that quality. Hell if they need a part time janitor i would do it if they paied me in mylar bags and boards. Sorry guys I do believe that opportunity has recently passed, and we now know where all the bags and boards will be going 🤣 ??? Now I'm curious.
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Collector 721	721 TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@CopperAgeKids: I haven't missed the point. I'm not a seller or a dealer so none of your points mean anything TO ME because I don't get books that cheap encapsulated. What I'm saying is that FOR ME, the $250 cap appears to lean heavy towards targeting modern books. Which FOR ME is useless. FOR ME a raw book grading service would be of more value if I could get my older (bronze and silver age) books worth $1000 or more graded. Others may have a use for having a $250 book graded, but not me. When I do buy modern books, I don't buy modern books that are less than 9.8. So I don't need that book pre-graded. (I know a pristine modern book when I see one.) And it's not hard to find books from the last 30 years in 9.8. As far as I'm concerned, if you are buying less than perfect modern books you are wasting your money. There are simply too many of them out there so lesser books will be much less desirable. In other words, why buy your 9.2 or 9.6 when there are plenty of 9.8s out there that are always going to be worth more? But I digress... as far as a raw service, grading and bagging more expensive older books that are never going to leave my collection would be much more useful TO ME. Your mileage may vary.
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Collector 1.48K	1.48K OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @MR_SigS Again missing my entire point about how product releases should be properly handled in business. Official announcements should be the first thing to hit public knowledge, not random product from the R&D phase hitting eBay pre-release. As the old saying goes, the only way three men keep a secret is if two of them are dead. Leaks happen all the time in the business world. Apple had their iPhone 5 leaked before it the company announced, movie announcements continually get leaked, musicians have singles leaked before they're even finished recording their album. It's something you learn to live with.
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Collector 6.76K	6.76K KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@SteveRicketts Great that CBCS is trying something new. I know everyone is skeptical but great that your company is trying new ideas and invovations. I hope it works out.
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Collector 10	10 Wilson3d private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I think it sounds awesome!
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