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| How is this suddenly a thing? With no CBCS Newsletter announcement. No Forum thread announcement. And not even a polling about how we feel about or receive such a service? I kind of feel insulted here. We are supposed to be the frontlines for CBCS here, not the last to know. And how the Holy Lego Batman are there already books on eBay??? | ||
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TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Darth: "How you feel about it?. You feel insulted?" Call me crazy, but you may be over-thinking your importance at CBCS. | ||
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| Not MY importance. The FORUM's importance. This is the community of their customers. Honestly, an official newsletter, forum post, facebook post, and YouTube video all should have proceeded some random shop putting books on eBay. We got all of those things with both new label announcements. It's marketing 101, this is not how any company should have a new product hit the wild. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by TruckJohnson LOL |
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| @Darth: I know you're not talking about YOU personally. (obviously) But you're coming real close to saying they need your permission to do what they want to do. They don't. If you think they do, you've make the mistake of falling for a big steaming pile of corporate b.s. called "we care about you." OF COURSE companies are going to tell you that they care about your wants and needs. What else are they gonna do -- tell you "We don't?" And you need no further proof than what YOU yourself wrote: they didn't ask for your permission, my permission, or the forum or community's permission to do or not do anything concerning this raw book service (or the labels.) They just simply went ahead and did it! | ||
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| I can't imagine this is anything other than a book that failed a 9.8 pre-screen. If it isn't, then it's a poor idea for a number of reasons | ||
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| @DarthLego I'm with Darth on this one. Seems shady nothing was mentioned. Perhaps its a dealer only feature? If anybody could request this service there will be big problems with sticker switching. They should find a way to have the sticker on the inside of the mylar at least. Also, there is no way to see what the back cover looks like. Slabbed ones you can see both sides. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It would be simpler to just swap the book out instead of switching the grade sticker. Someone could probably get some of those tamper resistant CBCS logo stickers printed up and mailed out next day delivery without too much trouble. | ||
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| So if a book gets a raw grade of 9.8, and it gets slabbed at a later date , is it guaranteed to get a 9.8? Hypothetical. | ||
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| Maybe this is something that would appeal to people who buy raw books? Some buyers put a level of trust in comic dealers to grade a raw book. Now they can buy raw books which are professionally graded. You need to be confident that the people selling these books are reputable and offer good customer service. Just like when you buy any raw book based on a stated grade. I don't think anyone expects a "Raw Grade" book to carry the same price premium of a slabbed book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle 1) Yes. Pages are counted. If anything is missing it will be reflected in the grade. 2) There is no resto check. 3) The stickers are super sticky. 4) This is scheduled to be announced today. The newsletter comes out later. |
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| @hawk_guy you're right, I would buy from someone I trusted for sure, or as discussed "fresh off the table". Ebay, not so much until I know te quality of "resistance" @DarthLego I would assume they talked to their dealer member network this time rather than end users. Sounds like they will be the largest share of purchases with the grade screen option, so releasing it to them first makes marketing sense. But everyone finding out by some random dude on ebay? Yeah I'm with you on that one |
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| This opens the flood gates for Bubba Ray's Comic Shop to design a fancy sticker and start "grading" raw books. You already have less than bright people submitting books to PGX, so, yeesh, not sure this is something to be supported. | ||
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| This could be a really nice thing for getting books signed at multiple cons just slide the CBCS paper work in the back and put stickers on it and it has to be removed from a CBCS employee to retain the yellow status. Could save people a lot of money from using third parties and the comic could stay in your possession until the next con. | ||
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hawk_guy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @dpiercy You're always going to have fly-by-night operations trying to piggyback on the success of others. You stated a perfect example with PGX. Does the existence of PGX mean CGC should never have offered grading services? | ||
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OrbitCityComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego We're not the front line of CBCS, the hourly employee is. Business 101. Just because they didn't ask the forum doesn't mean this thing was not tested through other means. There's private collectors who don't use this board but have heavy sway over collections. Shop owners, convention goers and organisers, artists and creators and a whole slew of people who never show up here and post who probably had a hand in this. Think about it, there's maybe about thirty people who post daily on this board, and anyone who owns a business as large as CBCS is not going to let 30 customers be the resounding voice in their decisions. |
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| I give credit to CBCS for trying new things. I like that they are offering us new services and options. That being said, I don't see myself buying any of these from any online sellers. As has already been discussed, it seems like there is a lot of potential for fakes and scams. Although, like Hawk_guy already stated, I might buy from a trusted seller. If the prices is right, I would probably send in some of my own books that I plan to keep for my collection (sentimental books or low value books that are favorites). I'd also like the option of having a neutral 3rd party give a higher dollar book a quick check at a con, but this might be too labor intensive for CBCS and the seller would have to be willing to let you take the book over to CBCS. I'll wait to see what the announcement has to say. If I like what they are offering, I'll consider it. If I don't like it, i'll stick with the services I do like. |
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| This reminds me of DF sealed signatures...it just sounds a little risky. How hard would it be to engineer identical stickers and manufacture your own stuff to put on eBay with sub par/ altered books. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by FrankCastle129 Best idea yet, if CBCS will let that happen  |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I people are getting the wrong impression of how I feel about this as a product. I never even gone so far as to give an opinion either way. I was simply commenting on how this came into the wild. Someone dropped a ball somewhere. It should have been made clear to the dealers that would used in the R&D process to keep books under wraps until the official announcement. To avoid exactly what happened with this thread. Had that one internet article also been released early there would have been zero indication that the product was real, up to that point it looked like a scam being run by the dealer. Proper control over the timing of product releases and information is important in business, and this was an example of that process failing and causing marketplace confusion. That's all I was saying. Now as for the service itself, I think it's a brilliant idea and I will be using it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dpiercy This is already being done, but I won't mention a name because they are on the banned list along with PGX. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts What happens when someone purchases and submits one of these raw grade books and it comes back a lower grade? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Anger Sadness Despair Confusion Suspicion All of the above |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I would assume up shits creek, seeing as how the book is relatively unprotected versus slab, and could potentially be muckled upon by anyone handling it |
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| After sleeping on it. I think it could be a service that could come in handy to the collecting community. I will wait for the press release to see what exactly this is. I hope they go into some sort of detail like what type of mylar and backing board. How many grader's look at the book, the price point and whatever else they can give us in information. For people who can't grade this is a service that will make it easier for them to sell their books online without saying I'm not a professional grader or I don't know how to grade here is a crappy picture bid away. | ||
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| Are the bags being used Mylites? | ||
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| If a raw graded book receives a lower grade after being formally graded and encapsulated, that's the risk of having a book raw graded. If the book comes back higher, that's a positive. If you are not paying for the review that goes along with encapsulation, there should be no expectation that the grades will be uniform. But I'm sure that will be priced into sales eventually when people come to that conclusion. At bottom, it's an interesting idea I'd like to know more about. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
Hey @SteveRicketts, just putting this out there. If CBCS can integrate some good "inventory/collection" features into our dashboards, then I'll get my entire collection raw graded just for that feature.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I agree. There are all sorts of reasons why this might be a poor idea. |
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