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@Jesse_O that's a very good point! If these books can perform that well I can see how the service will be very attractive to sellers  |
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| If a person thinks for one second that a book can't be damaged inside one of those hard plastic tombs, they are sadly mistaken. If I take X comic in 9.8 and drop it down a flight of carpeted stairs, do you think it will still be a 9.8? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I would think we'd need to wait for auction's close to really see. So many people snipe auctions that looking at the prices now & making a comparison isn't really fair. Hopefully though, it will be to CBCS's advantage. Just hard to tell with a live auction, is all I am saying. |
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| Perfect way to sell restored or trimmed comic books via the internet. "No returns on third party graded and sealed comic books." Just sayin' |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke That's a fair point, but I don't think anyone is saying something is being taken from us. Of course we still have the product we normally buy available to us. But this is more like McDonalds adding a new burger that is less than half the size of a quarter pounder to the menu and priced like $.25 less than the quarter pounder and then telling us what an economical choice it is for us. Of course I have the option to not buy the 1/8 pounder for $.25 less, and I won't, but as consumers we are free to point out to a company that we all seem to like that their pricing doesn't match their product. And if they want to entice to buy the 1/8 pounder, which is cheaper for them to produce, they need price it right. Until then I'm still happy ordering my usual. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none Fair point. But when you realize that the last TWD #27 raw that was sold two days ago (Thursday the 16th) was described as NM and ended at $103.50, I'd say it's a prime subject for discussion. Sniping and last bids, something I do myself, only ensures that the final price will be higher. I'll definitely be watching this one!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Themaxx35 CBCS has to price the service at what is economically viable to them. Labor is the typically the most expensive line item on any companies P&L, and if it costs $9 in labor and materials to grade a book, then it's pointless to offer a service where you break even or work at a loss. For a true collector, I can see these being an economical choice if you send in 20 books and end up saving over a $50 in fees. Personally, I will not buy a book that has been through this process, but I may use it to grade books I want to keep in my personal collection. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O There are many scenarios. I want to focus on this possibility: Say the CGC slab goes up and possibly even sets a new record high for that book in grade, and the CBCS Raw Graded book only goes up another $10. If I were you, I wouldn't want people to look at that and think that consumer confidence in CBCS is not good/lowered. |
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| Why would anyone compare a CGC clab to a CBCS raw? I guess there are enough ignorant people out there who might, but the slab to slab comparison is the more relevant one IMHO | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none I would say it makes no difference what the CGC slab does. I only mentioned it so people would understand where the raw was on the overall "auction only" TWD 27 listing. To compare a raw grade to a slabbed grade is a bit unreasonable. That is why I found the last raw sale that was marked NM. I think that is a fairer comparison. If the graded raw sells for $10 over the last one sold (so $113.50), the raw grading paid for itself. If it goes OVER that, then it becomes profitable for the seller and THAT is where the real test lies. The test, in my mind, is whether a buyer would be more comfortable buying a book marked nm by the seller or with a CBCS raw grade. And if it is the raw grade by CBCS, is it worth the investment on the part of the seller? If this particular sale doesn't work out, I'm not afraid of it adversely effecting CBCS. They're big boys over there. They can handle hiccups that come along. |
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| For those ragging on the new service, there is a place for it. I hate the new difficult-to-open CGC slab. I am happy to send these to CBCS to give such "raw grade". I know a resto check has already been done. Same for any CPR process. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Thanks for clarifying. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon It doesn't matter what I think it only matters what ebay / Paypal think. If those guys let me sell my slabbed books without making me take returns, the grade on the slab is the bible. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Themaxx35 This guy gets it! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mio .. isn't that the point though? They should be difficult to open .. less chance of a swap-out etc. Unlike the new graded raws. |
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| @KenWorthing I think it needs to be a balancing act. of course it needs to protect the book but it's not a prison and it should be easy to open it to access your book without risking damage to it. That said, if you do open the slab, it should be obvious that you've done so, so that it's clear that the grade is now invalid. | ||
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| It's a tricky-one. I see it like this: If the book's in hand (and has already been paid to be graded and slabbed), why open the slab .. thereby negating the grade? If it's in a slab: Leave it be (unless it's a PGX'er .. break that mutha with glee)  If the book's in hand and Raw (and easy-access needs to be had to get to the book at all times plus the need for slabbing isn't warranted): Stick it in a Mylar. If it's for a personal collection and Raw Grading is the right thing for that book, totally fair-enough. It's only when it's going to be sold do I see problems ahead, as lots of forumites have mentioned already. I might just have to start a new slogan .. Slabs for ever, Raw Grading never Just my tuppence-worth (and edited for clarity, because I do have a habit of rambling)  |
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| @Jesse_O - maybe the raw grade on eBay has a premium if recognized as the first raw grade offered and which triggered one of the longest forum post | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That's a good point. I think that will need to be considered a factor IF it outsells the last auction. Another one I'm watching is the ASM 300. CBCS Raw at 9.2. The last auctioned off ASM raw marked NM sold for $192.50, sold Feb. 17. The raw grade is at $123.50 right now. To be profitable, it'd have to break over $202.50 (in my mind anyways). It's going be fun to watch these two CBCS raw auctions during the last hour or so of the sales. |
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| So, what is the over/under on this new service? In other words. Will it last a long time? Will it "poof" after six months? Will it drastically change appearance in three months? Will it be copied by other grading companies? Will "pressing" service guys offer something similar to this as an add on to their pressing service. out of their homes? Will coins be graded, without verification of authenticity. Will toys,like an in the box Optimus Prime, be graded and encapsulated, without assurance that the missiles and gas nozzle are not knock-off after market replicas? So many questions. So little ink. But so much time and boredom. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak LOL!!!!!!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak I imagine it will last as long as it's economically viable. This isn't the first foray into this lower tier grading system. Those of us who have been around in the hobby a while remember other flash-in-the-pan companies that attempted this. CBCS is just the first with an established reputation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Maybe using the TWD 27 comic isn't fair anyways because that particular book has had a lot of exposition being the first raw CBCS being on sale, so the pricing on that particular book might spike undeservingly (not based on it having a raw grade by CBS). However, I will add that the pricing point for this service seems a tad high especially if shipping one raw book costs the same as shipping one slab. CBCS needs to adjust the pricing tier to something that will make this service attractive to potential customers and that it will make a profit for them. I would use this service for a book that I would be planning on keeping in my personal collection but for that CBCS would need to add signature verification to them. I am not happy to see that the restoration check is not provided with this service and might be detrimental to this new service. Like so many people have stated CBCS is trying new products and that is very good for the company as they are seeking to expand the amount of services they provide finding a niche for collectors! |
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| Off the subject but good job of trimming it up and bring the thread back to life. Also please don't be afraid to issue out some hand slaps for posts that have to be trimmed. This reminds me going to check ebay now to see what those books did | ||
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| OMG IT IS BACK!!! | ||
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| Raw grade auctions are finishing now if you all care to watch | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Krazywan WD 27 and ASM300 did very well. WD finished top end of CGC past sales However, the $20 books arent doing so well... looks like most wont even sell unless there are a lot of snipers waiting |
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| Many of those books were not even worth the $20 starting price. | ||
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| Only 19 of 75 still going are selling. I think the experiment is what the raw grade brings for value on a $10-15 book. Experiment failing on the low end so far | ||
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