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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none How long do you take? |
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Irrelevant. I have never been known as a professional or even amateur grader. I surely would never pay for my opinion, and would suggest others to not pay for it as well. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none Irrelevant to what? I was just asking you how long you take when you're grading a book. I know you're not a professional grader. The majority of the people posting here are not professional graders. |
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I guess you don't know what I mean by "amateur grader" either. My 8.0 might be someone else's 6.0 and vice versa. I am not a great grader, so IDK how long it would take me to grade a comic book like someone whose job it is. It could be 20 seconds, it could be 4 minutes. I wouldn't ever depend on my own eye when I could easily be proved wrong by an experienced eye. But if you absolutely need a hard answer, take the "4 minutes" as a hard answer, even though it really isn't. ![]() |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa Lmfao. 🤣 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none So what you're saying is that your opinion is worthless and nobody should listen to you. |
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Getting a book reslabbed cost $10. So CBCS already has a set value of what encapsulation costs them in time and materials, and what they need to make to have that be profitable to them. And set that price at $10. Getting a modern book graded cost $16. If we subtract the price set for encapsulation we end up with a value of $6 left on the grading process. Now if we remove the check for restoration from grading, how much value does that pull out of that $6? This is why I think the pricing for Raw Grade makes no mathematical sense. You are saving $6. You are losing more than $6 worth of service. And slabbing a book mostly always adds more than $16 worth of resale value on the end product. Having a raw grade sticker will not add $10 onto resale value. This is a mathematically unfeasible situation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none I was just asking how long you take to grade a book. It doesn't have to be like getting a wisdom tooth pulled ![]() |
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I have several books with color touch, so this raw grading looks like a good deal to me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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You know if they just added the resto check back in, this price point might work out. But as it stands it just seems a non starter for me. | ||
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My little guy read this thread and said its like McDonalds. I asked him what he meant and he said; It's like when I go to McDonalds. I get what I want and don't worry about the other stuff on their menu. CBCS just added another sandwich. They didn't get rid of one. I can still get the sandwich I like and now I have another choice. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510 I'll answer , The first thing I do is look for any marker bleed through on the inside spine or on the inside cover. I do a page count sometimes I have to do it twice if I miss count. When I'm doing this I'm looking for anything missing or written on and when I get to the center fold I inspect the staples. When I get to the last page I again look for color touch bleed through between the last page and the inside back cover. This is the crossing the T's and dotting the I's part for me this usually takes a minute or so. I look for any signs that that the book has any restoration. I look at all the corners front and back looking for signs of trimming. and I hold the book at different angles looking for any signs of color touch. If there is anything that I see that gives me pause I inspect more. I will break out the black UV light and the loupe. If nothing raises any suspension I move on to my grade assigning stage. Remember I have been looking at this book feeling this book for a couple of minutes already so now I just have to go with all the information I've noticed and give it a grade I feel the book holds to. I will go down the spine front and back different angles and when I'm satisfied I write the grade on the piece of tape for holding down the Mylar flap. I'm done I have a grade I can live with for the book total time 2 to 3 minutes. Again if something pops up that triggers my "spidey sense" it could take long but this is my usual grading process. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle I appreciate the answer, very thorough. Is your grading process the same for buying a book as opposed to grading to sell? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Logan510On higher dollar books sometimes. If I'm at a show and I feel a book needs a good going over. I'll ask if I can inspect a book closer. Especially if it falls into the MVS range. I've never had a dealer tell me "no" when I've wanted to inspect closer and usually we are already into the negotiation process. If it's a run of the mill cheapy I will usually give it a good once over in the bag and make a decision whether to buy it or not. Then I will go through the book and see what I got when I get home or back to the hotel room. |
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@JWKyle I like your process. I see a lot of people saying $16. But it is $18 without the membership, which mamy of us do not have. So, it is more like a 56% cheaper option. Ideal for moderns that you plan on slipping back in your longboxes. | ||
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I don't think this will work in the end. It's so easy to accidentally create a spine tick or crease. How are you going to guarantee that from a holofoil sticker? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by VaComicsGuy This kid is smarter than all of us. Combined. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Kaptain, I agree but I see these filling a different purpose. I don't see myself buying any of these from sellers, but I would consider sending in some of my own books that are lower value or sentimental. I wouldn't be looking for a guarantee from a seller. I'd be looking to get a little confirmation on the grade. Most of mine would go in top loader and back in the box. I might also consider using this service for books I want to display and not worry about paying for archival materials. I have a few books that aren't worth much but with a CBCS sticker and hung on the wall, they could be nice conversation starters. This could also be a decent way to make sure heirs have at least rough idea of the grade of a given book. But, as has already been discussed on this thread (and others) price will play a big part in the decision making process. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I think the only guarantee this service can provide is they guarantee the grade on the sticker is what the grader's opinion was at that moment. After the customer walks away with the book... :shrug: |
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This post started with a posting of an eBay auction of a Walking Dead 27 raw graded at 9.6. If you look at it now, for auction only listings for TWD #27 the top two that have active bids are a CGC slabbed 9.6 for $132.50 with one day and 6 hours to go. The CBCS raw 9.6 is the next highest with active bids (there is one listing between them with no bids). The CBCS is at $110.00 with 5 days and 6 hours to go. There IS one other listing there worth mentioning. A PGX graded slab 9.2 with a starting bid at $50 and a BIN at $75, no comment from me - just an observation. Based on this, I would say that consumer confidence in CBCS seems to be pretty solid. But you are free to draw your own conclusions. I'm just putting this out there for debate. Instead of what COULD happen, maybe take a look at what IS happening. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon That's not at all what I said. Thanks for twisting the words around though. I'll repeat what is quoted above, with emphasis to help you understand better. I surely would never pay for my opinion, and suggest others to not pay for it as well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by slym2none I was just making a joke, but it still sounds as if you think your own opinion is without value. I would never tell anyone that I don't value my own opinion. |
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OK For what it's worth, jokes are very difficult to express properly if you don't let the other person know you are joking. It's easy to do that with one of the emoticons at the end of a post, though. |
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@Jesse_O that's a very good point! If these books can perform that well I can see how the service will be very attractive to sellers ![]() |
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If a person thinks for one second that a book can't be damaged inside one of those hard plastic tombs, they are sadly mistaken. If I take X comic in 9.8 and drop it down a flight of carpeted stairs, do you think it will still be a 9.8? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I would think we'd need to wait for auction's close to really see. So many people snipe auctions that looking at the prices now & making a comparison isn't really fair. Hopefully though, it will be to CBCS's advantage. Just hard to tell with a live auction, is all I am saying. |
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Perfect way to sell restored or trimmed comic books via the internet. "No returns on third party graded and sealed comic books." Just sayin' |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke That's a fair point, but I don't think anyone is saying something is being taken from us. Of course we still have the product we normally buy available to us. But this is more like McDonalds adding a new burger that is less than half the size of a quarter pounder to the menu and priced like $.25 less than the quarter pounder and then telling us what an economical choice it is for us. Of course I have the option to not buy the 1/8 pounder for $.25 less, and I won't, but as consumers we are free to point out to a company that we all seem to like that their pricing doesn't match their product. And if they want to entice to buy the 1/8 pounder, which is cheaper for them to produce, they need price it right. Until then I'm still happy ordering my usual. |
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