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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @esaravo Totally agree. It would be nice if there was some kind of universal Database so we could do an actual analysis and get actual data and pricing from both companies... so both buyers and sellers get a realistic view on the pricing of bought and sold books.. | ||
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| In all seriousness....@esaravo is ofcourse absolutely spot on. The "cgc sells for more" notion gets tiresome when there are obviously so many factors that go into why a book would sell for more etc. In my opinion, all things being equal, cgc does not sell for more than cbcs....cgc simply has more opportunities than cbcs. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Yea, I don't think there's some big conspiracy that CGC secretly controls all these web sites. I'm pretty sure you answered your own question: Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo So yes... usually higher prices. And if you do a simple search of any vintage book on eBay, you'll see that there are a lot more CGC sales than CBCS of pretty much any given book. Not an insult, just an objective fact due to longevity. The reason a lot of smartphone accessory manufacturers focus solely on iPhones is not because Apple secretly controls them. It's because there are a lot more iPhones being used than other brands. Spend your energy where the demand is. CBCS has the better product but it doesn't matter. I sell books. The CGC books sell first. Period. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Yeah, it's not like CGC to want to control everything and keep their competitors down....that's not like cgc at all. | ||
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| We're so concerned about sales data and FMV, we often forget to just enjoy collecting comics. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Oh no....is CBCS the Beta to CGCs VHS??? |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics No, because apples-to-apples, CBCS' product is better. You're asking about 2 completely different technologies. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros The thing is CGC and CBCS offer a mixed product/service. We give them our property - the core item of value - and they take that property and add something else to transform it in subtle but important ways: 1. Take something that a layperson over the internet (and sometimes in-person) cannot verify is authentic and transform it into something “guaranteed” (in CGC’s case) to be authentic. 2. Provide a third party view on condition. 3. Reduce risk of changed condition. At least in theory. These changes together help make the item marketable - those factors make books more comparable against each other and across time. It also helps for things like appraisals and insurance, taking out what would otherwise be a very customized / labor intensive task. There is more “service” in the above than physical product, in terms of what the grading companies provide. In this case much of the product is service. Of course part of the service is also the customer-facing part, crucial when personal property is being entrusted in the hands of others. CBCS has failed some aspects of the service side of their business, as has CGC. I think both suffer from major failures of leadership combined with a worsened market environment. There is a need for someone to right the ship but I doubt CBCS can afford the right person, and I doubt CGC knows what the right person even looks like. |
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| @GAC "And for numerous years, CBCS accepted Yellow label signatures from books submitted in CGC slabs. How many times has CGC tried to exclude CBCS from events such as conventions and signings, by having exclusive rights that denied them access? Why don’t more sites report CBCS sales? Is it because there’s not enough sales, or because they are controlled by CGC?" CBCS still accepts Yellow label CGC slabs but there is a date cutoff to mantain the yellow label that is when CGC changed the signature policy. I strongly believe GPAnalysis excluded CBCS data because of CGC pressure. |
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| Remember the old saying.. Never assume... We can sling at each other or make up thoughts and ideas or criticize each company. Let's face facts. Bottom line is CGC is crushing the hell out of CBCS. CBCS won't allow data to be easily accessed and that should piss off every CBCS collector (Please note : I am impartial to either company and just like to have accurate data to determine FMV of my books) So instead of busting each other why doesn't anyone just reach out to CBCS and demand answers? Or in their case.. Beckett Media & Collectibles the parent company.. or actually a new parent company owned by something called Collēctīvus Holdings whoever the hell that is... Good luck with that.. I'm bored with this so I'm moving on to another more fun topic!! |
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| Collect the comic, not the label or company, and you we'll end up a happy collector with a good-looking collection to enjoy for, hopefully, many, many years to come. That said, dealers/sellers need to make a profit to stay in business. Just simple economics.  |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| CGC has done many things to keep competition down. Exclusivity deals, threatened lawsuits, file lawsuits etc. It is no stretch to think they don't put pressure on other companies to not report CBCS data. Bleeding Cool is a perfect example. I'm not saying they shouldn't be doing these things as a business, but it should not come as a surprise to anyone to find out they are pressuring companies to bend the knee to cgc. |
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| Oh, son of jor-el!!!!!! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!! | ||
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 This is what I am talking about... lose the slinging of mud and let's get back to the fun of comic books! |
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| I'm pretty sure he's just kidding around / being silly. I don't think he literally means anyone should be kneeling before Zod; except for, perhaps, Superman |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Nuffsaid111 Correct! Zod can kiss my white old Irish booty! Anyway, I don't care if you use the CGC. Use them if you want and I hope you get good grades and can sell them for a profit ; if that's your scene. I want to use the CBCS and my reasons are good enough. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sborock_ComicLink 100% - that's the old saying - buy the book not the grade! what was that pirate saying...Grades are more like guidelines... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Agreed! I will say, when I am looking at a graded book, I don't care if it is CBCS or CGC, I am negotiating on that book and if I want it or not. If a seller has the same book, same grade, one CGC and the other CBCS do you think he is selling one at a different prince than then other? cause me, on the other side, im certainly not paying more for one book than the other. of course, what do I know |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GothamBridge  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave To insinuate the connection between the underpinnings of the global financial markets are of little relevance to the performance of the collectibles markets is a bit silly, no disrespect intended. We do agree that CBCS is in no position to capitalize on CGC's misfires; namely the bananagate issue. But CBCS is in a position to ameliorate their declining position, and CBCS' position in terms of submissions they receive, will only worsen when PSA starts grading comics. CGC's price hike is obviously unwarranted, given the fact that the current CGC holders are more than likely going to damage books (to varying degrees). However, if CBCS were to implement fairly small changes, such as creating a new forum as @marwood_and_I outlined in another thread on this board recently, that would at least strengthen public perception of CBCS. I would also add that another small change CBCS should implement is to provide front and rear cover scans of all books they grade, as CGC recently began doing recently in response to books being switched out at CGC by 2 CGC employees which were fired and sued by CGC. FC and BC scans at the public's view, is the only way to know if a book has been switched out, or a book has been damaged, post encapsulation, without cracking the slab open. This poor sod recently posted up an Edge Of Spiderverse #2 that was slabbed by CBCS at a 9.8, which he subbed to CGC for grading in the hopes of getting a 9.8 from CGC....he received a 7.5 for his troubles. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/540840-crossover-fail/#comment-13353035 A CGC employee either damaged the book or it was switched out, the gap between 7.5 and 9.8 is much too signifigant to be a matter of different opinion between CGC and CBCS graders. With no scans of the CBCS 9.8 slabbed book to point to, that submitter has no recourse. I will say that it does appear that CGC may have finally found a fix to the banana holder issue. I say this based on a Hero For Hire 1 CGC 9.8 that closed at $48,500 in a Heritage auction this week. https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/superhero/hero-for-hire-1-marvel-1972-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7399-91011.s?ic4=GalleryView-BidNow-071515 Back to the decline of the US dollar... ...this is a much too complicated issue to address fully in a reply here, which is already quite long winded. But I will say that the US dollar has been in decline since 1971 ie loss of the gold standard. I'd offer up this "Booming US economy is a mirage" article by Beams, with the 2 following this article as optional add ons, per se. Booming US economy is a mirage Nick Beams 6 November 2024 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/11/07/pphq-n07.html Growth of US debt threatens dollar dominance Nick Beams 27 February 2024 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/28/vxus-f28.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/14/wood-a14.html e3effa51eee72fd900e3-2fb779bd12ec72d4612275342f2c9187.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/caa46c20eb3acd338c50b2adfd8fcb59.jpg" target="_blank">    |
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| It really is remarkable that CGC has had serious design flaws in their holders for almost 9 years; starting with the 2016 thicker case rollout. This latest improvement, visible in this newly graded Hero For Hire 1 9.8, has the book "clamps" that CGC and CBCS have used for years pretty reliably, placed lengthwise over the spine. This requires extra space on the side of the spine, so the book itself is no longer centered in the holder. If this tweak actually proves to be effective in eliminating banana issues altogether, I think it'd be acceptable for now. The only CGC case redesign that eliminated newton rings and inner well scuffing was the case with the inner well that allowed the book to "slide" in the case by a fraction of an inch, on a plastic track. This was implemented sometime around 2020, IIRC. It didn't last long due to compaints, but I never heard of any books being damaged by this sliding track mechanism. It's unfortunate that this "sliding" inner well was discontinued, it really was the only case redesign that did away with newton rings and inner case scuffing and I think that if it were to be reinroduced, it would 100% do away with the potential for banana'd books. One needn't be a mechanical engineer to see that the sliding track renders all pressure related problems a non-issue. FWIW, if you run your fingers across the 4300+ (banana) CGC serial number books, you can feel a slight bit of what I would describe as uneveness on the book. Even the newer 4300+ holders that either don't have any bends to the spine, Joe of Top Comics Pressing points this out in a CGC unboxing video below from a few weeks ago linked below. Joe's Stray Dogs books don't have the latest CGC case adjustment that the Hero For Hire 1 9.8 that closed on Heritage a couple days ago has. Whomever the top bidders were on this book, either are unaware of "banana gate", or just don't give a damn. This book closed at over $1000 above the last CGC 9.8 closed at, which ended a month or two ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoVZXmFBjc0 I'm about ready to flip a coin to decide to submit a few books I've been sitting on the past year, to CBCS or CGC, at this point. |
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| OK forget banana gate for a second but how in the hell is that book even a 9.8??? Its got scratches on the cover and and a tic around the front side upper staple... The link below is to Heritage Auctions and you should be able to zoom in to get a better view https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/superhero/hero-for-hire-1-marvel-1972-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7399-91011.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 |
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| lol...holy sh!t gold standard!! Sooo many issues with it...maybe I need to dig out my 30yr old Uni textbooks! Actually...Canada is a gold producer...would put us at a massive advantage over other countries...or we could move on from 50+yrs ago?? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Hang on before this becomes a riot!! I've experienced it myself with both companies.. I had silver age come in higher than ones I expected to be lower and visa versa.... But this is a key book so this for me stands out a lot!! And if I were a buyer bidding on this I would have major second thoughts.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PolarisNuclearSS2020 You keep flipping that coin bud. I will stick with the real deal. CBCS has by far and away the best holder on the market. These newest holders are stout. No creaking, no newton rings and no banana damage. And equally as important is consistent accurate grading. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nearmint67 @Nearmint67 You are 100% correct and to me, it seems so incredibly obvious that I scratch my head when others don't see the same thing. There is absolutely no comparison between CBCS and the Sarasota Shit Show (thanks @StudleyDudley for coining than name...they will forever be called that by me). |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would have loved to submit to both companies until I was told the bend was within normal grading sstandards. Makes it really hard to trust a business that has that kind on blase response to a customer concern. CBCS isn't perfect, not by a mile; but they're perfect for me. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ComicNinja0215 Whenever one knows they are being handed a line of sh*t in a customer/business interaction, the key is to continue to ask reps questions with their responses until they are out of answers. Do not let up. Then continue to go higher and higher and higher in the organization until they make you go away because you won't stop pestering them. I wont do that often except when I know I'm being handed a line of B.S. Don't necessarily get angry; but be unrelenting. I find it works. For all those that are being told their books are within specification, ask them what the specification is and for that specification in writing. See how that goes with the representative. They don't give it? - go higher. Kindly threaten with poor Reviews. State firmly with threats with BBB. Threaten with other actions that you have already prepared. There are times I feel a company is within their right as I continue questioning and I'll find myself wrong or misinformed. But when I feel the wool is being pulled over my eyes, I'm there until they yield. This horsesh*t with the bends is on them, solely on them, unacceptable. And that's a period. |
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| Yeah, the entirety of Bananagate falls within the old saying, "It's one thing to piss on me. It's another to piss on me and tell me it's rain." | ||
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