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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| The CBCS "PHOENIX RISES" Label. Only $10 add-on |
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New year same CGC  my question is how does everyone feel about CBCS moving forward? We know they are having some issues behind the scenes and with PSA lurking, does Becket keep the doors open? |
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS can only move forward until collectors are willing start paying the same amount for a graded CBCS book equal to CGC's FMV instead of 15-20% less... That's the only way it becomes an equal playing field | ||
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| PSA grading will have to seen. Who knows, they could be like CGC and give away 10s like Halloween candy. | ||
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| CGC is dog shit anyways. | ||
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Lets be honest.. with today's technology with advanced printing and paper quality there is no reason not to have a new book that's at least a 9.9. This paper quality and ink blows away the books I grew up with. And I see these new books and think how are these not a 9.9 or even a 10... BUT.. I do question the Bronze age ones getting 9.9s |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DoorCntyComicColl your not wrong. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GothamBridge I think it also depends what you are selling and where - most of the limited number of books I've sold I've sold through MCS, and all have been CBCS, most have gotten FMV or better - a few stinkers don't get me wrong - but that happens when you list in an auction from time to time. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I mean - I haven't used CGC in a few years and am not likely to do so again with recent banana issues etc. regardless of price. At some point it's going to get interesting...I grade mainly for 2 reasons 1 - For my PC I grade books I think merit the expense - my collection grows at a slower pace every year and eventually the books I think merit a slab will come to an end 2 - To sell...I'm no flipper - I only sell what is in collection and I only grade those where the potential return makes sense to have them graded or more recently books I have multiples of so I can keep the grade I like and turf the rest - likewise - that inventory will eventually come to an end, and honestly some of those I could sell raw IF fees go up in the industry - since I'm just doing this as a hobby - there is ZERO reason to have books graded. I can protect them well enough and leave them in a box - and I can grade them well enough on my own with my reference guides if needed for a sale. When it comes time to sell the collection to a bulk buyer I'm going to get pennies on the dollar for the most of the books, any that are actually "worth" something will demand their own price - graded or not |
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was doing research on GoCollect since they contain CBCS data (data fed from Ebay, Heritage Auctions, etc) and it blows me away how much less CBCS books go for... That's something no one talks about but instead its all this petty nonsense... People rip on CGC but what's to stop someone who has time and money from purchasing a CBCS 9.8 book.. cracking it open and resubmitting to CGC.. getting the same 9.8 grade and selling for that 15-20% premium but instead people ripping on CGC because its now going to be $2 more to grade a book? CBCS needs to up its game or it will never be an equal playing field.. and forget PSA (CGC/CBCS has 99.99% of the market..) what the heck are they bringing to the table? I was reading a post that started yesterday with CBCS users complaining about CBCS Customer Service (topic name Customer Service) issues and delays and no responses or emails back from CS... https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/21442/page/1/customer-service/#7 Now I have never had to reach out to CBCS Customer Service so this was never an issue for me... but how about focus on those issues because no company can survive without its first line of defense being in shambles (as per the posts yesterday by CBCS users) |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| I forsee PSA having more slabs graded by the end of their 1st year than CBCS over the same time period. I kind of wish PSA bought CBCS instead of starting their own company. At the very least, their slabs would look a lot better. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Well, no doubt. CBCS started from dirt. PSA is an established company with a built in customer base. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DoorCntyComicColl Nothing is stopping anyone from doing this and the fact that no one does this should tell you something about that. Anecdotal examples where CGC sells for more than CBCS can be easily counteracted with examples where CBCS sells for more than CGC...but the notion or myth is out there and people do believe this. People rip on CGC because it is very deserved...CGC is shit and CGC treats their customers like shit...f@&k CGC. |
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| I laugh to myself when I think of the folks looking forward to PSA as if it were the second coming of Comic Grading Jesus. Those same people, given a few months, will be the same people pissing blood on Internet forums because PSA did do or didn't do something they thought they should or shouldn't have done. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson If the PSA slab shown at comic-cons is the actual slab they are going with, I forsee them NOT grading more. The PSA slab is significantly larger than CBCS, CGC and PGX slabs...they're the odd man out simply by size. If collectors are as OCD as everyone likes to say they are, then that may be a huge hurdle leap. |
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| @GAC I won't buy magazine slabs because they are a different size... and they're supposed to be. | ||
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| @DrWatson Exactly! No way I'm slabbing anything with PSA just based on the size difference. I can't have some books jutting out over other books..PSA slabs are too radically different from the generally accepted design of established slabs. | ||
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 I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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| I would normally bash CGC with news like this, but I just don’t care anymore. Their days are numbered as far as I’m concerned. Darth Vader Cat still does not approve.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I also find it funny that at least based on the lawsuits, the people PSA are looking at heading their comic division are the same general group who started CGC and then started CBCS but somehow PSA will be better??? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatsonI’m excited to see another reputable company in comic grading. I have the same questions as everyone else on the final slab design and I’m interested to see how they do. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash lol..PSA would be insane to have different slab dimensions (think I saw one photo - probably a mock-up? where it was very different) . CGC people complained about CBCS labels - can you imagine a whole different size - like you would need to re-jig all your storage solutions just as a start!! |
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| I don't re-jig for anyone. | ||
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| Just when I thought that you couldn't get any dumber , you go and pull something like this.. And totally redeem yourself!! 🤣 Seriously, this the worst idea ever. Lol |
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| I won't be using PSA. I have a feeling they will as or maybe more pricy as the cgc. No thanks. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I agree 100%, the PSA slab is ugly, I'd sooner get a PGX slab. And if the dimensions are different from all the other slabs...well that is really a nail in the coffin before they even hit the market. Quote: Originally Posted by Galen130 That is a statement just cause you don't like them. Even with the issues, they are still more likely to be leading the slab business. Especially now with the JSA thing. If CBCS wants to close the gap and overtake them, then they need to concentrate on the things that they fall short on and correct them, market that they are the OG signature authenticator for comics, and that they provide a superior service at a better cost. and if I were to suggest something for them, it would be to make their slabs UV resistant...I really think that would be a game changer. |
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| The only way CGC falls from #1 is if they go bankrupt or implode from other nefarious ways including gross incompetence (which from outside looking in, is a distinct possibility). No other slabbing company will overtake cgc while cgc remains in business. They've had a 16-17 year head start with virtually zero competition (PGX doesn't count). The vast majority of important books are all in cgc slabs. Most collectors collections are in cgc slabs. The race or competition is always and has always been for spot #2. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Well then I'm proudly supporting number two because we're the  |
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 I have not set up at a con since 2029.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC True, but the only competition thus far to CGC has been CBCS. What will determine PSA's standing in the graded comic marketplace is: A/ PSA's standing in the graded cards market; PSA graded cards are by far the top dog of the graded cards market in terms of the number of cards submitted to PSA for grading. Beckett is at the bottom of the graded cards market with CGC Cards in 3rd place. B/ PSA has long standing ties to all major auction houses. Auction houses like Heritage, Metropolis, CConnect, CLink is where most higher value graded books are sold. C/ PSA Vault will have a program set up on eBay letting buyers of raw comics have the seller of te raw comic, ship the raw comic directly to PSA for grading.This is a very big thing. See below for D CBCS has consistently dropped the ball in failing to capitalize on CGC's mistakes. CBCS hasn't even spent the little amount of money on creating a actual forum board. The CGC Forums were key in making the CGC name what it is. A proper forum board would be the first step for CBCS to take NOW, before PSA opens their doors, to lessen CBCS's decreasing market share. One of the recent CGC boardies who was suspended from that board recently posted about the problems with the archaic layout of this board, and cited those problems as the reason he wouldnt post here regularly, FFS. CGC hasn't fully corrected their banana holder, they have lessened the severity of the bending issue. Instead of correcting the problem, CGC deleted all references to the problem's existance on their forums. How many books with mild bends seen as acceptable by CGC will progress to color breaking spine tics in a few months from now? Will the sellers of those books point out the damage when they list tem for sale? Most sellers will not. [b]D Higher end slabs are not typically sold on eBay. Modern slabs are what sells the most on eBay. This is where e factors described above allow for a player like PSA to enter the graded comics market.[/b] It is conceivable that PSA could overtake CGC as the comic grading company that gets the best premiums for graded books. The best thing about PSA entering the market is that competition to CGC will force CGC's hand to fix their Goddamn banana holders. The underlying issue has not been corrected, it has only been tweaked. CGC's current actions in sweeping this problem under the rug, firing/laying off broads swaths of employees do not show a position of strength in the market. |
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| Another key factor in the graded comics market that is a big plus in PSA's favor is the current economic positions of both CGC and CBCS. Beckett's top CEO was recently convicted of financial crimes. This led to the creation of what a new firm's creation, as Beckett's/CBCS owner, with the same ownes. All it amounts to is rebranding. Than onto CGC's economic position; CGC's situation of their decision to only plaster over the banana holder issues and laying off CGC employees is a clear sign of weakness. Will CGC address heir main problem, as in fully resolve their banana cses when PSA hits the comic market? This will be the biggest thing holding CGC back from retaining their long standing position of being the top dog in the graded comic market. CBCS can only compete for scraps from CGC and PSA. CBCS is currently not even taking the steps needed to do so. What has CBCS doe since all the problems CGC has had over the past year? CBCS put out a promotional cideo mocking CGC's banana holders. That's not going to cut it. CBCS case security is really no better than CGC's and to add to that, CBCS doesn't scan front and rear covers of all newly graded books as CGC started doing in 2024. Holder security can never be foolproof, as Immaculate Co,ics has shown. Bottom line is that both CBCS and CGC are not doing their job, in various ways. This is a prime opportunity for PSA to enter the graded comics market. The overall economy is not in a position of growth, which is something that is glossed over and ignored by most economists, as well. It is ultimately geopolitical events that drive the financial markets, with the US govt currently funding 3 wars....this will translate into a continual collectibles market downturn. I highly suggest reading Nick Beams to understand the above issues, which are intimately wed to the declining position of the US dollar. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I think I'm very very lost, but I'm not sure. But I do know, for sure, that I got lost on how PSA will succeed because of the poor economy and the funding of wars? |
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